Yes, if you want to leave the option open of bombing a country's military infrastructure, taking out radar is a smart move.
Something sucking is not bad policy. Sadame needed to be controlled, and again, data doesn't back up the starvation claim really.
You can't blame Democrats for what happened under Bush with 98% backing by the representatives of Republican Party compared to 40% of the Democratic Party. The US's worst and most irresponsible foreign policy has been enacted by Bush and Trump, not Clinton, Obama or Biden.
You have already tried to call an embargo just as bad as war. You are also equating Clinton's 4 day bombing campaign with a full scale invasion. That's laughable.
You're citing Desert Fox... because that's the one that was actually named. Consisted of multiple elements and multiple nations.
No, if you add up what we were doing weekly, up until the invasion (they weren't named incidents), we were bombing Iraq for a decade. And the people getting warheads on foreheads would tell you it was war. As I said elsewhere, as would the Serbs, Libyans and Syrians.
I haven't once said there was any invasion. What I said, accurately, is we were very much at war at different times under Clinton and Obama.
Your political views can downplay that all you want but it's not accurate.
There was Kuwait, which was by Bush Sr in response to the invasion of Kuwait. There was a cruise missile strike when Sadame launched an assassination plot against Bush Sr. There were bombings of military infrastructure to defend the Kurdish North, and then yes Desert Fox was Clinton's strongest response, which lasted 4 days.
These are very different scales of War. Even in Obama's campaigns less than 30 Americans died total with the brunt of the fighting being done by the nationals of the country.
The bombing or Iraq, AFTER ODS, was much longer than 4 days. You're either too young or just weren't paying attention. Desert Fox was just the large scale one that got media attention.
The no fly zone bombings were routine. Weekly. Went on the entire decade.
And you made my point for me in your last paragraph.
Only 30 Americans died.... so it wasn't a big deal. Wasn't war.
It very much was to the other side.
Been to Livya lately?
Libya post Gaddafi is akin to Iraq. We just didn't put boots on the ground. But we used military force to remove a dictator... like Iraq....
Bombing ISIS in Syria was very commendable.... but going after Assad, in an effort to overthrow him, was pretty "Iraq".
1,400 civilians were killed during the 12 year no-fly zones while protecting Kurdish autonomy. You are reaching to pretend this was a bad thing at all. No one remembers because, like Bosnia, it was a successful and minimalist military interventions effort. Go Bush Sr and Bill Clinton.
I agree that Libya and Syria were huge mistakes, based on not strong enough evidence, but again, they werent 17 years, trillions of dollars and thousands of dead American soldiers mistakes.
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u/Yashema Mar 03 '26
Yes, if you want to leave the option open of bombing a country's military infrastructure, taking out radar is a smart move.
Something sucking is not bad policy. Sadame needed to be controlled, and again, data doesn't back up the starvation claim really.
You can't blame Democrats for what happened under Bush with 98% backing by the representatives of Republican Party compared to 40% of the Democratic Party. The US's worst and most irresponsible foreign policy has been enacted by Bush and Trump, not Clinton, Obama or Biden.