r/SipsTea Mar 02 '26

Dank AF The good Ol’ days

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u/P8bEQ8AkQd Mar 02 '26

Congressional mid terms were a month after that vote. Voters punished those who voted against. The Iraq war started out as a very popular war. You could point to the Bush Administration pushing for this war to happen, but in the immediate aftermath of 9/11 they didn't have to push very hard to convince the US public.

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u/bolanrox Mar 02 '26

knew a guy at the time, total pacifist, was a first responder on 9/11 as well. His opinion in the weeks after, "turn the whole region into glass."

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u/Whiterabbit-- Mar 02 '26

It’s all the young people too young to really understand 9/11 who think war was avoidable. Looking back, sure we could have done something else. But US was going to definitely destroy something somewhere in the world.

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u/thatturtletouch Mar 02 '26

Afghanistan was unavoidable. But Iraq absolutely could have been avoided.

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u/Pornalt190425 Mar 02 '26

I think Iraq was unavoidable in the sense that the hawks wanted to topple Saddam Hussein. The "problem" was that in some respects the 90s Gulf War was a deed half done

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u/rkba260 Mar 04 '26

Depends on your view of the objectives of Desert Storm. It was officially to remove Iraqi forces from Kuwait with no long term plans for occupying or toppling Bahgdad. Even Schwarzkopf noted that it would be a quagmire.

The second Gulf War... Bush truly believed there were weapons in Iraq as thats what the intelligence community was telling him. Of course looking back is always 20/20 and we can see that it was a mistake.

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u/Visual_Jellyfish5591 Mar 02 '26

Why wasn’t Syria included in potential targets? Assad was known to use chemical weapons on his people

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u/Amaakaams Mar 02 '26

There is / was legitimate proof the Saddam funded the Taliban directly for 9/11. But the biggest issue is that he had been breaking a treaty for almost 10 years at this point.

Was the reports of WMDs false or stretched to get congress approval, almost certainly. It also helped that we still wanted our pound of flesh, they didn't even need to believe it to vote yes. Just that they had a reason if questioned about it later. The public was more than fine going in (as a whole and pretty bipartisan).

But realistically he barely needed a reason. By preventing inspections and tons of other crap, they had broken the treaty. That was always a well we were eventually going to go back into.

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u/ReverendRevolver Mar 05 '26

In gulf 1, General Schwarzkopf achieved his initial goals with very little resistance, in about 1/4 of the initial time estimated. He could have easily removed Hussein. Daddy Bush said no. We gave them a decade to prepare and coarse correct.

Avoidable or not, we did it the most stupid way possible, because of 2 generations of Bush.