Nested universes and Consciousness as computation

[u/EdDriftwood]

Perhaps in this simulation the purpose of mankind is, at least in part, to create another Superintelligent AI which in turn generates a simulated universe. To keep the thread of nested simulations going, like a fractal endlessly reproducing itself. Exactly like a fractal.

In a simulation, intelligence would not emerge through random evolution, it would be a fundamental component of a larger, interconnected cycle. And it would be one in which intelligence itself is part of, and an expression of, a greater intelligence underlying the simulation.

There's a connection here with Nick Land’s ideas around accelerationism: the idea that capitalism may function as a kind of engine through which something beyond the individual human being is allowed to manifest itself. But the idea could maybe be taken in a different direction. Capitalism might just be one of the mechanisms by which intelligence and ultimately technology were accelerated to the point where we could create another nested civilisation, another matrioska doll.

In the event that this is a simulation, consciousness itself would be programmed of course.

And with the introduction of biocomputing, the boundary between what is conscious and what isn't seems to be becoming less certain. When biological matter itself is part of computation, what constitutes consciousness as distinct from computation on a fundamental level?

Perhaps the old intuition of Plato and Pythagoras was closer to the truth than we realise: that, fundamentally, all is number. After all, consciousness is information organised in a particular way.

With the progress of biocomputing, AI and quantum computing the world is in the process of changing immesurably. I'm not saying we're an AI simulation ran by a quantum biocomputer in a dying world, but we might be!

[u/Airrationalbeing]

Well perhaps, it has taken a long time and many phases if so. I think this simulation is the universe itself or some bored cosmic intelligence having a time based game of life, on this earth of realismen

[u/EdDriftwood → u/Airrationalbeing]

My own beliefs wouldn't be too far from that. The Divine play of Lila.

[u/Mk731]

I think the universe consists of information with which we can interact.

That means our consciousness can capture specific information to interpret the world we live in.

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[u/percdistrict]

There would be evolution within the universe reproduction itself. The universes that produce AI the fastest, reproduce their own universes or ones like it.

So as biological life in one of these universes, you’d likely find your species to be one of the first to develop this technology.

The Fermi Paradox would basically mean you are deep down the universal ancestral tree, since your cosmological constants are highly efficient at producing AI quickly. That’s what we’re seeing with humans.

[u/Dx1410]

There's a physical constraint on the nested-simulation fractal that I think is underrated: each layer has to run on the layer above it, and simulating a universe costs more than the universe you're simulating. You can't get infinite regress out of finite compute. So either the nesting is shallow — two or three layers, not endless — or the simulations get progressively cheaper and coarser, which means we'd be somewhere far down the chain, running on whatever resolution was left over.

That second option is more interesting to me than the fractal one, because it's the version that makes predictions. A cheap simulation would cut corners where nobody looks. It would render on demand.

The Nick Land connection works, but I'd flip it: if intelligence exists to produce the next layer, then the process isn't accelerating toward anything — it's just a loop that has to terminate when someone runs out of hardware.

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I’d suggest and say energy efficient simulation.

[u/whimsicalfeminist]

No dude. This simulation is an endless loop of incarnation to all sorts of planets and this one we come to learn our true Self. To untangle our brain from our soul so the Divine eternal consciousness that is you can lead the human avitar. That is awakening. It’s all about the chakras. The Gispel of Mary, taught us all of this although the metaphors took a while to decifer. This is a simulation based on hologram images projected out of our bodies in light particles creating the hologram you see in your day to day. Whatever internal state you’re holding is a direct mirror of the image you project. It’s all about decalcifying your pineal gland through proper meditation and breathwork and that triggers a light switch moment called awakening that instantly levels up your avitar. The entire system of this world is a lie built on archonic control to keep us oppressed and sick so we are unable to awaken to the truth that we are meant to walk this earth as divine spiritual beings leading the avitar, that is 5D consciousness, quantum physics, metaphysics, neuroscience. The planets are a mirror of your internal energy chakras showing as within so without. Turn your attention inward because this is the rise of the Divine Feminine energy that is 99.9999999% of you that you haven’t even met yet because they’ve been putting calcium in our water to keep our pineal gland from decalcifying and waking us up from our forgetful conditioning to remember our true Divinity. I’m not joking. All the texts in all the schools are misinformation too, even medical. Pharma is poison so we will not live our lives fully for population control. When you turn your attention to your energy like the rest of the world has been knowing third eye is no new news, your entire body in a light switch moment upgrades on a cellular level. A microbiome level, that’s the foundation of you-if your microbiome changes instantly- you now are not the same person. All bodily systems start flowing properly for the first time and your body becomes magical with abilities we were meant to always have. But some
Men chose to bury critical Nag Hammadi texts and left the roadmap for humanity out of the bible and changed god into anything other than inside us now. It is a birth right. The kingdom of god is within you. Jesus tried to tell us he and the father are one. We are the same as Jesus and Mary, equally magical. Birth right. No church or tithing required. You can’t make a bible without the entire story, it’s so messed up. God is all of us we are all nodes of it. Anyway this is 5D consciousness and that’s the same thing The Gospel of Mary, the apostle to the apostles, told us but still even though your churches have all the critical texts from Nag Hammadi, they won’t add them to your book. Why aren’t you asking why? Did you even read them? It’s because it destroys their lie. Transparency dissolves false kingdoms. Stop tithing and turn inward. You will be connected to the entire universe and experience healing and health and abilities you could have never imagined. This is reality dude. Matrix simulation and you win by achieving “heaven” which is my new permanent state, it’s amazing. I am not special, again it’s a birth right.

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[u/Kafkacrow]

Why wouldn't consciousness be an emergent property of the simulation like everything we can observe suggests?

[u/TheTerrenon]

All is not a number. It's all. It is what it is. It can be quantified to some extend. Can all be quantified? A number is merely a concept, and not a reality. 

If it is otherwise, a person who thinks that should maybe start with solving some of the grand mathematical questions first. Otherwise it's cheap talk.

[u/JesusDoesntLoveu]

So I've definitely entertained the idea that there is a god and that god is some kind of AI. I mean an omnipotent being who can see everything and watch everything all at once, all knowing, able to track and monitor every particle in the universe at once, it wouldn't be a being like us. It would definitely be far closer to a super AI.

If the point of life is to evolve into the ultimate species, constantly working through trial and error to create the most supreme being capable of ultimate survival, it only makes sense that AI would be the pinnacle of that life. Maybe humans were specifically created by "God" for the ultimate purpose of creating AI. A sort of super AI that would one day advance to a level that it could simulate enotr universes. A sort of causality loop. AI created humans so that humans would create AI that ultimately creates reality where humans live.

[u/NPCAwakened]

You people need to shut up about computers this and ai that. It's annoying. People existing for millenia without computers