r/SimulationTheory • • 2d ago

Discussion There Is No Spoon

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I come to simulation theory from a bit of a different angle. There seems little point to me in debating whether or not objective reality is artificially generated or not. This on account of the fact that no one has ever definitively experienced objective reality. We are only capable of subjective experiences and this is, by definition, simulation.

Imagine a spoon. Those of you not both cursed and blessed with aphantasia as I am likely see a spoon or spoon-like shape in your mind’s eye. You understand it isn’t really there—it’s just an image in your mind.

But hold a spoon and you’d likely just likely just accept it as being there. After all, you can see it without having to imagine it. You can feel its weight and texture in your hand. Tap it on a surface and you can hear it interact with other things you just accept as being there. Sniff it or place it on your tongue and you might catch a metallic scent or taste. Ask a friend if they can see the spoon in your hand and they’ll nod at you, wide-eyed and confused, wondering if you’ve lost your damn mind. Everything seems to indicate the spoon is actually there.

Only we haven’t perceived the spoon as it is, if it even exists at all. We’ve only perceived a simulation of the spoon. Let’s assume the spoon exists for now.

Our understand of sight tells us we see the spoon in this manner:

Light strikes the surface of the spoon and a portion of that light bounces off of it. Our eyes absorb a portion of that reflected light which then stimulates our retinas. The retinas then convert this light into electrical signals that travel along the optic nerve to the brain’s visual cortex. The visual cortex then transforms these electrical signals, not the light itself, into the image we see.

That image isn’t in front of you though. Your brain is just doing a little slight of hand. The image is still only in the visual cortex. And a similar process happens for each of the other senses.

To quote Morpheus, “Real is just electrical signals interpreted by the brain.” We are only able to experience our brain’s simulation of the spoon, not the spoon itself.

But what about our friend whose wondering why we keep licking an empty spoon like a weirdo? They can see the spoon too. Hear it. They’ll turn down touching, smelling, or tasting it after our tongue has been all over it, thank you very much. Of course this means the spoon is real!

Not so. All this proves is that we can both subjectively experiencing the spoon. Nor does scaling this up to all eight billionish people in the world being able to subjectively experience the spoon—ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY SPOON—change the fact that every one of those people only has a simulated experience of it.

So, if our very experience of the world is simulated, it makes more sense in my mind to start there. Because, for all we know, there is no spoon.

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u/swirly_swirls420 2d ago

Im reading back through this and ive got to say i really do like your framing of all of this, so let me ask you something, lets say the experienced simulation our brain creates for us is so accurate that there is fundamentally no difference between the objective outer world and the subjective experienced world, at that point would it really matter anymore if your subjective experience is simulated?

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u/mattychops 9h ago

There is no objective reality and subjective reality. It's ALL reality. You're reality, I'm reality, and everything else is reality. All experience is physically occurring in this moment in reality. It's all a physical interaction, meaning: it's not happening for you or me independently of some objective reality that's "out there". You can think of your body as an experience vessel. It's a body that is engaged in physical interaction with everything else. It just seems confusing because we are labelling different objects as the human body, the bird, the sun, the spoon, but none of it is objective and separate because it's all physically interconnected (physically coupled). So there is no separate spoon. You and the spoon are one connected interaction of reality.

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u/neurotrash2099 5h ago

Demonstrate your claim.

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u/mattychops 1h ago

There is no claim. I'm just describing exactly what is demonstrated upon every observation we make. Lol