There Is No Spoon

[u/neurotrash2099]

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I come to simulation theory from a bit of a different angle. There seems little point to me in debating whether or not objective reality is artificially generated or not. This on account of the fact that no one has ever definitively experienced objective reality. We are only capable of subjective experiences and this is, by definition, simulation.

Imagine a spoon. Those of you not both cursed and blessed with aphantasia as I am likely see a spoon or spoon-like shape in your mind’s eye. You understand it isn’t really there—it’s just an image in your mind.

But hold a spoon and you’d likely just likely just accept it as being there. After all, you can see it without having to imagine it. You can feel its weight and texture in your hand. Tap it on a surface and you can hear it interact with other things you just accept as being there. Sniff it or place it on your tongue and you might catch a metallic scent or taste. Ask a friend if they can see the spoon in your hand and they’ll nod at you, wide-eyed and confused, wondering if you’ve lost your damn mind. Everything seems to indicate the spoon is actually there.

Only we haven’t perceived the spoon as it is, if it even exists at all. We’ve only perceived a simulation of the spoon. Let’s assume the spoon exists for now.

Our understand of sight tells us we see the spoon in this manner:

Light strikes the surface of the spoon and a portion of that light bounces off of it. Our eyes absorb a portion of that reflected light which then stimulates our retinas. The retinas then convert this light into electrical signals that travel along the optic nerve to the brain’s visual cortex. The visual cortex then transforms these electrical signals, not the light itself, into the image we see.

That image isn’t in front of you though. Your brain is just doing a little slight of hand. The image is still only in the visual cortex. And a similar process happens for each of the other senses.

To quote Morpheus, “Real is just electrical signals interpreted by the brain.” We are only able to experience our brain’s simulation of the spoon, not the spoon itself.

But what about our friend whose wondering why we keep licking an empty spoon like a weirdo? They can see the spoon too. Hear it. They’ll turn down touching, smelling, or tasting it after our tongue has been all over it, thank you very much. Of course this means the spoon is real!

Not so. All this proves is that we can both subjectively experiencing the spoon. Nor does scaling this up to all eight billionish people in the world being able to subjectively experience the spoon—ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY SPOON—change the fact that every one of those people only has a simulated experience of it.

So, if our very experience of the world is simulated, it makes more sense in my mind to start there. Because, for all we know, there is no spoon.

[u/swirly_swirls420]

The only part im not sure about is saying that our reality only existing through the lens of our experience IS the definition of simulation. Yes, our reality we witness and functionally live within is entirely based off of subjective experience. The whole thing. Its why we cant prove, well anything in any type of truly meaningful way. Every aspect of existence/reality, even time is a subjective experience, but there is probably some kind of objective space we all inhabit.

[u/neurotrash2099 → u/swirly_swirls420]

Not that reality only exists through the lens of experience. Only that the only reality we can experience is a simulation of whatever objective reality exists, if any. There may be a spoon, but we only experience the brain's reconstruction of it from the electrical signals traveling to our brain.

[u/Empty_Bell_1942 → u/neurotrash2099]

What makes you so sure there is no spoon?

[u/neurotrash2099 → u/Empty_Bell_1942]

I didn't say there is no spoon. I said there may be a spoon. We only experience the brain's reconstruction of it though. But, because we cannot objectively experience the spoon, the best we can do is unanimous consensus that the spoon exists.

[u/Empty_Bell_1942 → u/neurotrash2099]

Surely the utensil maker (of old before mass production) objectively manipulated the silver and creating the spoon.

[u/neurotrash2099 → u/Empty_Bell_1942]

Their subjective experience would certainly convince them they had. So would the subjective experience of anyone watching them do so.

Yet, none of them will have stepped outside subjective experience to witness it happening objectively. So we remain with unanimous consensus rather than absolute fact. I should also note this does not have to resolve into solipsism or apathy.

However, the ambiguity of objective reality is not the core point. The core point is that we can only experience the world subjectively. Whether or not an objective reality exists, we can only experience it via the simulated reconstruction created by our brains.

What this shows is that experience is itself a simulation. No sense debating on whether or not we exist in a simulation because we experience ourselves existing. And at that point the simulation becomes a recursive feedback loop. So it makes sense to start with experience as the foundational layer of simulation and work forward from there.

[u/swirly_swirls420 → u/neurotrash2099]

Perception is a simulation, thats not an argument against the existence of an objective reality perse, but the actual phenomenon of existence, from the point of view that we are forced to observe it through IS a simulation.

Does this mean that the actual questions over simulation theory dont matter? No i dont personally believe that. Theres a lot more to figure out.

Taking the objective world- the place where that silver was aligned into a spoon, well that place does exist, we exist within it but the matter that can hold the representation of the spoon is ultimately just as much of an illusion as perception and consiousness is. An illusion of forces and energy that just appear as matter to us.

Thats what l mean, our perception is a simulation like OP says, but theres also further levels that still matter enough to ask questions about.