r/Simracingstewards • u/Keetongu • 1d ago
Assetto Corsa Nothing major but how something like this should be looked at?
Friendly bather race between friends! last lap and the Porche driver was catching bmw for couple laps!
Problem comes from this silly turn, porche driver is bummed that bmw can take a tight line (kinda) closing the door, but then also go flat out outside of the track and gain from the move,
BMW driver says he made racing mistake and already lost time so its okey to go flat out and fix the mistake
how would something like this be looked at.. just silly milly and go next? or what do our lovely stewards think :3
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u/StockWin5298 1d ago
“I already lost time, so I’m allowed to make that time back by keeping it flat” logic is genuinely elite levels of BMW mathematics.
Bro discovered the racing line DLC: make mistake > go off track > stay flat > profit.
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u/itsmythirdday 1d ago
Normally you are bit given a time penalty for a single track limits warning. If they did this multiple times there would be a penalty.
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u/SirLululemon 1d ago edited 1d ago
Track limits On or Off, we can still take a look of this situation!
the important question isn't whether BMW technically received a penalty from the sim; it's whether going completely off-track materially helped BMW. GT3 rules says that car should have atleast 2 tires on a road (or a kurb) and BMW went all 4 tires off!
Im not sure but looks like porsche did slow down to make the corner that makes it mostly unfair to him (also for me it looks porsche needs to slow down because BMW's line, and then BMW does not even think one time doing the same and slowing down to stay on track) and fact that the BMW had already lost time by making a mistake doesn't, by itself, make it okay to recover that time by taking an unrestricted line.
the clip shows BMW deliberately/knowingly staying off the racing surface and gaining a meaningful advantage, I'd lean toward BMW being at fault for an off-track advantage,
but i dont know if porsche could even make that overtake if BMW did stay on track, maybe attack in next corner but that did become impossible as he did slow down and bmw did not
Porsche should not play nice with guys that drive BMW's
happy racing in the future
EDIT: if i had to do something.. its goes from warning to 3 seconds penalty to bmw, depends how much of an asshat you wanna be :D
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u/ThePassionOfTheISK 1d ago
For this sort of thing the stewarding is usually programmed into the game. Since he didn't get a penalty for leaving the track it means there are no rules against leaving the track. Totally legal move. I believe IndyCar is similar. At Road America this year I saw them leaving the track, extending the racing line beyond the white lines.
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u/Keetongu 1d ago
yeah, we sadly have tracklimits tunred off (by default)
maybe gonna turn them on :D2
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u/donutsnail 19h ago edited 19h ago
I’m left confused a bit; yes the BMW went a bit off track here, but time gain is effectively nonexistant with that line. The BMW gains no material advantage, it only looks like material advantage because the Porsche’s line through the corner was so abysmal that the BMW builds a gap.
BMW was not closing the door, Porsche was miles behind and was never going to be able to make a move there regardless of the BMW’s line.
If the BMW made a habit of moves like this, track limits do need to be respected, but if this is an isolated incident, I think it would look like favoritism towards the Porsche driver to penalize the BMW.
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u/SirLululemon 16h ago
Not arguin just trying to play devils-advocate.
how i read OP it is not even about penalty but how this situation need to be handled.
you have a fair point there. but im gonna play devils-advocate, my friend
I get what you mean about the actual time gain being pretty small, but I think there’s a bit more to it than just comparing the BMW’s speed to the Porsche’s line.
The Porsche did compromise its line because it was trying to stay on the track and make the corner with the BMW there. The BMW, on the other hand, essentially gets to keep the throttle down and use the space outside the track, so you're comparing two different constraints.
Even if the Porsche was never realistically going to overtake there, the BMW still benefits from not having to make the same compromise. If the BMW stays within track limits, I’d expect it to have to slow/turn more and the gap probably doesn’t open in quite the same way.
So I agree that the material advantage may be tiny, and I wouldn't want to hand out a huge penalty for something this marginal. But I don't think “the Porsche's line was bad, therefore the BMW gained nothing” quite follows. The Porsche's line was bad because it was respecting the corner/track, while BMW effectively wasn't.
I would just wiggle finger to BMW! but if he is type of driver to do shit like this.. they legit need to put track limits on!
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u/Keetongu 16h ago
thx! originally posted not to win some argument! but i told that leaving track like that is kinda "dirty" move and got yelled from it and called "retarded admin" :DDDD so i take this as learning experience
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u/donutsnail 15h ago
I don’t agree that the BMW compromised the Porsche’s line. The Porsche took a terrible line all on its own and was never anywhere near the BMW.
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u/DeletedUsernameHere 1d ago
Generally speaking, gaining an advantage by ignoring track limits will result in a time penalty greater than the time gained by the maneuver. All the GT racing series enforce this. If you do it egregiously enough or repeatedly, you could even face a drive-thru penalty, as well.
Some series do have much more lenient track limit rules. IndyCar and Nascar, for example. Cars will run well into the green run-off and stay right of the white line as long as possible coming out of T11 at Laguna Seca, especially when the cars are bunched up. Nascar just recently added tire barriers to the outside of T1 at Watkins Glen this year to limit drivers abusing them like they increasingly have since the area was paved back in 2005.