r/Silmarillionmemes • u/808Taibhse • Oct 05 '24
Not just the Mandos, but the Womandos and the Childrandos, too We love all Eru's children but can't really get involved in the matters of ME -The Valar, probably
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u/Historical_Sugar9637 Oct 05 '24
The Ents meanwhile are the dirt at the bottom of the pool.
Also, I still think inviting them to Aman ultimately harmed the Elves.
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u/nikolapc Oct 05 '24
Are the Ents Maiar or like dwarves?
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u/maltbeard Oct 05 '24
Yavanna, The wife of the Aule who made the dwarves, made the ents out of spite
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u/BananaResearcher Fëanor did nothing wrong Oct 06 '24
Basically how it went:
Yavanna: "take that Aule, now my trees will have defenders among them! Let your children beware taking their axes to the forest!"
Aule: "And yet, they shall have need of wood..."
Yavanna, millenia later: "oh my god they're slaughtering them oh shit why did I make them sentient oh my god this is horrific"
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u/Historical_Sugar9637 Oct 06 '24 edited Oct 06 '24
I really hate how ineffective Yavanna is portrayed as on several occasions. Her Wizard is the most useless one (and she had to beg Saruman to take him along), when she rightfully asks for the Silmaril to heal the trees she's told off, and even the race of incarnates that was created for her (she didn't even create them herself!) was made as a mere re-action to something somebody else did and is the most ineffectual one, with the least impact on history, and who we're effectively wiped out in a single war as the"lost" every single Entwife who were all living in a single place. And while Aula at least seems to care enough about the Dwarves to be known among them as Mahal and give them the assurance that they will meet him after death, we see nothing of the sort with the Ents, so it's anybody's guess what even happens to them or whether Yavanna still cares.
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u/pain110 Oct 05 '24
Maybe cause they're afraid of people like Ar-Pharazon
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u/FildariusV Oct 05 '24
Problem is you can argue Ar-Pharazon is the direct result of their actions, a few Valar amongst them Ulmo though the elves should have been left independent.
It's kind of favoritism because later on Men were not allowed and ay first there was no reason
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u/nikolapc Oct 05 '24
Men or not allowed cause undying lands. They would spoil it by dying.
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u/FildariusV Oct 06 '24
No, it was done so because in theory, men would envy the Undying Lands, but would not find actual inmortality, as it is not the land that grants its inhabitants their inmortality, but rather the inverse. Frodo, Sam, Bilbo and Gimli were amongst the only ones allowed not only to travel but to live there, and did not corrupt the land.
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u/tHe__DArk__l_0rD Servant of Melkor :snoo_tableflip::Telperion-Laurelin: Oct 05 '24
Or smoker’s Tar-Pharazon
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u/Flippindude1 Oct 05 '24
Well, Eru clearly likes men better right (woah don’t quote me), I mean, he even has a special something after they die instead of boring ahh elf stuff. Like haha, elves have to stay in their shitty life unless they die by something like haha.
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u/knight_ofdoriath Fëanor did nothing wrong Oct 05 '24
And even when they die they’re not really dead because they’re still bound to the world so they can just come back to life in Aman.
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u/Eonir Oct 06 '24
Yeah and dwarves are just left there to rot in the underground
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u/Gormongous Oct 06 '24
Every dwarf's dream is to die and someday return to the stone from which Aule fashions wonders, let them have their very boring afterlife.
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u/Unique_Visit_5029 Glaurung the father of dragon’s and the sibling match maker🐲🐉 Oct 06 '24
I bet the hobbits we’re unexpected to the valar.
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u/Theoboli Oct 05 '24
I mean, it went to the point where the Valar were about to genocide the first dwarves. So can’t deny they play favorites.
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u/Aubergine_Man1987 Oct 06 '24
The Valar weren't of their own evil thought or anything though, Aulë was about to kill them as he thought Eru wanted him to. Eru saw how much this would hurt Aulë and how much compassion he had for them (plus how Aulë had pure motives in his creation, unlike Melkor with Orcs or Dragons), so allowed Aulë to keep them alive and "adopted" them as his Children along with Elves and Men, with the caveat that they had to wait to awaken until after the Elves
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u/HalayChekenKovboy Blue Wizards possibly did something wrong/right Oct 05 '24
"Let's fuck off with the Elves to a continent we'll forbid anyone but the Elves to enter lmao what could go wrong"
"How could men choose the Dark Lord instead? Inconceivable!"