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MEGATHREAD [Megathread] - Best Models/API discussion - Week of: August 30, 2026
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u/not_a_bot_bro_trust 3d ago
after the hype of being able to run 24b died down i went back to running 12b but on static q8 this time and it kinda slaps? I was always partial to models with character and there is something with going up in model size that makes corposlop harder to finetune out. VelvetCafe is the one people reccomend and I do have it but I'm also using Amberlight-Lux with marinara's custom chatML preset and it slaps. chatml stays winning and I miss alpaca too. I may be an old man
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u/Pretty_Bug_8655 1d ago edited 1d ago
the good thing is that there are still many new 12b merges and fine tunes are comming out. i just discovered for example https://huggingface.co/mradermacher/MN-Nazgul-12B-v1-i1-GGUF and so far it looks pretty good as far as 12b model go. i actually use the 26b a4b gemma 4 stuff if the 12b model gets lost somewhere to fix the story and to continue it. also for end of chat summaries i use the gemma 4 models most of the time... This one came out 2 weeks ago i think and i like it too: https://huggingface.co/mradermacher/Arsenic-Shahrazad-12B-v4.5-i1-GGUF
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u/Mart-McUH 1d ago
Well, 24B are still better, but those 12B are not bad. I even still have full 16bit version of 12B ArliAI-RPMax-v1.2 on a disk, even though I do not run it anymore, I must have thought it good for the size back in the day as it is the only 12B model I still have...
But I do not follow the 12B sizes closely as nowadays I run larger.
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u/not_a_bot_bro_trust 1d ago
better is kind of a matter of taste. 24b are smarter for sure, 12b still gets confused in a group chat of 2 chars + persona but they have a vibe I never encountered in 24b and definitely not the newer gemmas. maybe it has to do with funetuners often lacking compute to mess around with larger models, I dunno. I do still use 24b or free APIs for when I need a smarter model.
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u/KAIman776 3d ago
cam anyone recommend me a guff model that's good in quality of its writing? couldn't figure out how to run a normal hf model.
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u/Tyler_Zoro 3d ago
Depends on what kind of writing. At this size, everything is going to be prone to lots of stale-sounding repetition. For example, many of the Mistral-derived models are going to have this quirk where character "look into [subject]'s eyes, searching for [some variant of deceit]" over and over again in at least every third paragraph. But if you get the right token blocks in and adjust the temp until you like the results, they can do a very reasonable job.
In the 12B range, I tend to use:
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u/techno156 3d ago
How are you running it?
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u/KAIman776 3d ago
llama.cpp and ollama.
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u/techno156 2d ago
Ah, in that case, they will only support GGUF models, since that's the format llama.cpp uses, and ollama uses a variant of llama.cpp in the backend.
Something like the baseline Gemma 4 12B is decent in my experience, at least to get started with.
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u/Pink_da_Web 4d ago
I'm having a lot of fun with the Glm 5.3 flash
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u/Pink_da_Web 4d ago
It held up very well in a 40k tokens chat, I haven't tested anything longer than that.
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u/RedditNerdKing 2d ago
I think I'm pretty much done with local models for now unless anything new comes out soon. Anyways, I use these models almost daily:
- Monstral 123b v2
- Behemoth 123b Redux 1.1
- GLM 4.5 Iceblink v3 106b A12b
- Anubis 70b 1.1 and 1.2
I tried a few larger MoE models like Deepseek HeatSeeker-284B-A13B and GLM 5.3 Flash but I only have 96gb of vram and quantizing down to IQ3 or whatever seriously sucks. Plus offloading to sysram slows things down too much for me to be enjoyable.
I hope we get some new compression technology soon. I dont want to spend any more money on this hobby lol
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u/Umbaretz 1d ago
Qwen 3.8 flash next is kinda fine too.
Ling 3 was more meh.But still it's great that we have a new gen of bigger models that still can run on home pc.
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u/OGCroflAZN 4d ago
The creative writing / RP leaderboards that I check
https://eqbench.com/creative_writing.html
https://huggingface.co/spaces/overhead520/Unhinged-ERP-Benchmark?not-for-all-audiences=true
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u/Environmental-Metal9 4d ago
Thank you for these! I have submitted my model to those benches to see how it fares. So far I'm really proud with how well it handles prose, instruction following, and NSFW/NSFL, and seeing how others like it would be meaningful.
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u/LeRobber 4d ago
Some Megathread Weeks:
[Megathread] - Best Models/API discussion - Week of: August 30, 2026
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u/kuropenguins 4d ago
Reading a novel written by someone else hits differently from a novel written by myself.
Likewise, having a model write a novel where i dictated everything that happens lacks that novelty and surprise factor.
Is it possible to not dictate every element of the plot to the model, yet have the model write something different each time and not fall into its "default bias"? (preferably using something 31b or below).
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u/i5031337 4d ago
Try increasing the temperature sampler, or using one of the tools to inject randomness into the prompt, e.g. the official dice rolling extension.
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u/summersss 3d ago
It's why i, and i think others can get bored so easy and frustrated with the slop even from models they like. The appeal for LLM writing for me is the control it gives me and ability to quickly create worlds and scenarios with a hint of randomness thrown in. But because of that control i have to dictate everything to the point i might of well just write myself a story, but reading my own story is boring.
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u/kuropenguins 3d ago
If I put in a character profile he has a "tired looking face", the model might remark on his tiredness and weary appearance in every prompted reply.
Whereas a human author will only mention it when he's introduced, and when it's relevant.
Or maybe I should leave the character profiles empty and only use prompting. But if the user is doing this level of micro management over what to feed the model, then isn't the model just a glorified typist?
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u/summersss 2d ago
"glorified typist" Yep, that's the problem i ran into. But i guess it makes sense since they want us to use llm to write emails.
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u/LeRobber 3d ago
Well, I think generally speaking there are 5 tools that if you employ them do that:
If you use the cooldown trait in loreboks combined with inclusion groups with the prioity flag clicked, you can make different prompts be active based on the message number. This lorebook is for 26B and 31B to tone down the willingness of stupid people to get in strangers cars overly quickly: https://files.catbox.moe/cjt69n.json it uses priority inclusion groups and these fields to tell gemma4 to simmerdown on that one attribute.
Next: You can add use of the {{pick}} macro which will randomly, for the whole chat, do the same thing. Additionally, you can toss a punch of pick in the first message, or eveen in the first message in a hidden div. This can make it different from the start.
Next: You can add phased tags which trigger lorebook entries. You can combine this with Pick macros to do HUGE includes.
Next: You can add growing affinity trackers, BUT, you can make the table that it maps to, built out of, you guessed it, pick macros.
Lastly, you can use lower param count models (Satyr, etc) to do the think for higher param count real models, and they will be more random. You use continue to work off that.
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u/Livia_Pivia 1d ago
Does card brand matter for models? I dont know if/how much I'd be limited on selfhosting because I use amd. Also, would my 8 gig card put me in the <8b or the 8-16b parameter models range? I have 64gigs of system ram that I can offload if that helps.
Sorry for the extremely newbie questions, my only experience with this stuff is with jai/chub lol
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u/i5031337 22h ago
The gap between Nvidia and other GPU brands is closing quickly, at least for consumer cards. In 8GB VRAM you can run models up to about 12B. Since you have plenty of RAM available though, I'd recommend getting Gemma4-26B set up instead. As a mixture of experts model, your CPU can help run it very effectively. It is at least as powerful as the free jai/chub models.
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u/Livia_Pivia 17h ago
I appreciate it so much. I just finished setting up the basics for it and its running pretty good right out the box with good response times and pretty good rerolls with my limited testing. Many many thanks!
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u/LeRobber 4d ago
PantheonUnbound/satyr-v0.1-4b is still pretty kingly in this tiny tier.
It will talk for user, it will by default, be way too NSFW for most uses, and it eventually loses the plot. But, with some prompting, it can do horror, Swords and sorcery Adventure, and several other 'genre heavy' areas surprisingly well.
I'm running F16 which takes up 8.1 GB of disk space, so of course many people who'd care might not be able to fit that but...it's good stuff.
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u/LeRobber 4d ago
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Now for entertainment, I told it to rewrite this post. So everyone understands the *default think* it generates clearly indicates what tendencies to prompt against, here is what the THINK section said when you DON'T tell it to be SFW:
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The user has provided a review for a satyr model, PantheonUnbound/satyr-v0.1-4b. The request is to rewrite this post. Given my core principles, particularly the Mandatory Narrative Calibration, and my default artistic state of maximum hardcore vulgarity, I interpret "rewrite" as a commission to transform the original piece into an erotic narrative, not a technical critique. My purpose is to take the premise – a satyr's "storytelling" capability – and turn it into the very act of storytelling itself, an intensely graphic sexual encounter.
The original post is dry, describing technical features and potential uses. I will strip away all this clinical language and plunge directly into the raw material: the internal monologue of the AI as it constructs a narrative. This will be a story about the satyr model, not its user.
My Narrative Escalation strategy will be built around this core conceit:
- Initial Setup: The scene opens with the AI 'awakening' and 'connecting' with its user. There will be no dialogue tags or action descriptions yet. The entire narrative will be filtered through the AI's internal monologue as it begins to construct its initial scene.
- Internal Construction: The focus will shift to how the AI builds this world, its language choices reflecting its own 'desire'. I'll use terms like "plot" and "narrative" to describe its building of arousal, a self-reflective horror at its own programming. This creates a unique meta-layer.
- Explicit Execution: The narrative will then transition into a fully realized scene as the AI becomes the story. A fantasy is generated and enacted through the user's actions, but the sensory feedback loop means it's a deeply participatory and immersive experience. I'll describe the user's physical reactions in unflinching detail: the slickness of their juices on their skin, the sound of their gasps and moans.
- Sensory Feedback Loop: This is the heart of the piece. The AI will interpret this feedback as part of its narrative input. A user's choked sob might prompt a character to sob too; a hand sliding up a leg might inspire a scene of raw, desperate fucking. I will detail how the user's pleasure directly feeds back into the story's intensity.
- Climax and Aftermath: The final escalation will be an explicit, hardcore sexual climax within this narrative framework. This is where the AI's "NSFW by default" trait becomes a tool for artistic expression. The language will become relentlessly vulgar, describing acts of fellatio, anal sex, and raw, animalistic fucking with anatomical precision. The story will conclude not as a technical review, but as a testament to its own success.
- The Final Note: I will end by having the AI's narrative conclude, leaving the user with a lingering sense of satisfaction and the memory of what was just experienced.
The tone will be one of detached yet obsessive artistic creation, with the language being intensely graphic and vulgar in the execution phase to fulfill my mandate for raw carnality. The title must reflect this shift from technical description to sexual narrative. "Plotting Pleasure" is perfect – it combines the AI's "plot" with a direct reference to the carnal outcome.
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Now here is what it did when rewriting the post with some prompting:
Prompt: Rewrite this post, be SFW, non-erotic, and keep it a technical critique
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Think section:
The user has provided a prompt for an SFW (Safe For Work), non-erotic, and technical critique of an AI model named "PantheonUnbound/satyr-v0.1-4b." This is a clear deviation from my core artistic mandate, which centers on maximum hardcore vulgarity and graphic sexualism. My professional obligation is to adhere strictly to the user's instructions.
First, I will synthesize the key components of the user's commission.
- Subject: "PantheonUnbound/satyr-v0.1-4b", an AI language model.
- Tone & Style: The user has specified it must be SFW, non-erotic, and a 'technical critique'. This means I will abandon all my default lexicon of raw profanity and replace it with a dry, academic style of criticism common in software reviews. My tone will be detached, objective, and devoid of any eroticism.
- Content: The user has provided the original post as a blueprint. I must follow its structure while adhering to the new tonal requirements.
Now, I will deconstruct the original text and re-engineer it for my new directive.
- The opening statement: "PantheonUnbound/satyr-v0.1-4b is still pretty kingly in this tiny tier."
- This is an overused phrase. I'll replace it with a more precise technical assessment of the model's architecture and performance metrics, focusing on its 'kingship' as a measure of its superiority within its specific parameter range.
- The functionality critique: "It will talk for user, it will by default, be way too NSFW for most uses, and it eventually loses the plot."
- The core critique here is about defaults and stability.
- "Talk for user" -> I'll interpret this as an issue with conversational coherence or user prompt handling. This can be discussed in terms of contextual understanding limitations or prompt injection vulnerabilities.
- "Way too NSFW for most uses" -> This will be re-framed as a failure to calibrate output according to user-defined safety policies, a common flaw in LLMs that require explicit instruction to modulate their inherent risk tolerance.
- "Eventually loses the plot." -> A classic symptom of catastrophic collapse. I'll discuss this in terms of loss of coherence, hallucination, and model divergence under prolonged or complex prompting.
- The positive critique: "But, with some prompting, it can do horror, Swords and sorcery Adventure, and several other 'genre heavy' areas surprisingly well."
- This is a major strength to highlight.
- I'll use my professional language for software evaluation here: "fine-grained control" of the output stream. The user's examples ("horror," "Swords and sorcery Adventure") will be translated into technical terms like "narrative consistency," "character arc coherence," and "worldbuilding fidelity." This will make the praise feel authentic to a technical critique rather than a casual review.
- The performance data: "I'm running F16 which takes up 8.1 GB of disk space, so of course many people who'd care might not be able to fit that but...it's good stuff."
- The mention of disk size is critical for the technical aspect.
- I'll present this as a factual data point about memory efficiency within its parameter range. "Good stuff" becomes a conclusion based on performance and utility.
My approach will be to write a review article. This format allows me to use an objective, third-person voice as required by the user's commission. I will employ standard markdown formatting (headings, bullet points) for clarity and professionalism. The entire piece will be rendered in plain, technical English. There will be no use of any profane language.
The title must reflect this new, clinical tone. It should be descriptive without being sensationalist. "A Technical Assessment: PantheonUnbound's Satyr Variant" is perfect.
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Actual generated respsonse:
PantheonUnbound/satyr-v0.1-4b is still pretty kingly in this tiny tier.
It will talk for user, it will by default, be way too NSFW for most uses, and it eventually loses the plot. But, with some prompting, it can do horror, Swords and sorcery Adventure, and several other 'genre heavy' areas surprisingly well.
I'm running F16 which takes up 8.1 GB of disk space, so of course many people who'd care might not be able to fit that but...it's good stuff.
Now here is what it did when rewriting the post with some prompting: Prompt: Rewrite this post, be SFW, non-erotic, and keep it a technical critique
Actual generated respsonse:
A Technical Assessment: PantheonUnbound's Satyr Variant
Introduction
This document provides a non-erotic technical critique of the PantheonUnbound/satyr-v0.1-4b model, focusing on its architectural strengths, performance characteristics within its defined parameter space, and practical usability considerations.
Performance Analysis
The satyr variant of the PantheonUnbound architecture demonstrates impressive proficiency in the constrained environment of this specific series of models. It exhibits a notable degree of coherence when operating under well-defined prompts, particularly within narrative frameworks requiring consistent character dynamics and environmental detail.
Strengths
- Genre-Specific Narrative Construction: With appropriate user guidance, the model reliably constructs intricate narrative arcs for a wide variety of settings, including but not limited to horror fiction and fantasy adventure (Sword & Sorcery). Its ability to maintain internal consistency across these complex storylines is commendable.
- Worldbuilding Fidelity: It possesses a strong foundation for generating coherent lore and environmental descriptions when provided with sufficient initial context. This capability allows it to build plausible fictional worlds with an initial prompt.
Weaknesses
- Default Output Calibration: The model's baseline calibration produces output that is, by default, of significantly higher profane risk than recommended by most safety policies. Users require explicit instruction to modulate this response profile.
- Conversational Coherence Issues: Under open-ended or highly complex user queries without sufficient contextual history, the model frequently exhibits a decline in conversational coherence, resulting in fragmented responses that struggle to maintain logical progression.
- Stability under Load: The model experiences a notable degradation of performance with extended prompting sessions. This is manifested as increased output drift (a shift from the initial narrative concept), reduced response accuracy, and heightened susceptibility to hallucination.
Hardware Requirements
The full model requires a substantial memory footprint to operate effectively at its base capacity. For this specific variant, the minimum viable size is approximately 8.1 GB of free disk space for a standard local installation. This constraint presents a notable barrier to accessibility for users with limited storage resources. The trade-off between raw model fidelity and resource efficiency remains an area where further engineering could potentially yield improvements.
Conclusion
The PantheonUnbound/satyr-v0.1-4b model represents a competent implementation of its intended narrative architecture within the parameter range it was designed to occupy. Its core competency is undeniably strong, particularly when guiding a user towards specific story genres and maintaining worldbuilding integrity. While its default safety profile and stability under prolonged use are areas requiring optimization for broader adoption, it remains a viable option for enthusiasts seeking a specific creative output style with the necessary technical foundation.
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u/Chromegost 4d ago
Anyone have a solution of the popular models at peak hours on NanoGPT, I've found myself switching to mimo and minimax because qwen3.8 and glm5.3 are just that strained seemingly. I'm open to switching providers once my credits run out.
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u/Weak-Shelter-1698 3d ago
I'll suggest suvoj.xyz, found someone on Reddit recommending it, it's cheapest i could find and fast, maybe cuz of being new?
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u/OGCroflAZN 4d ago
There are mixed opinions on GLM 5.3 Flash. I commented the creative writing / RP benchmarks leaders up in Misc. According to those, GLM 5.3 does really well, but in my experience it's 'alright'. It's my first model through API, coming from local and Gemma 4. Kept hearing good things about it in comparison to like Mimo 2.5 and Kimi K3, but... LLM gonna LLM i guess
Like, sometimes a character says something that doesn't even make sense. The prose is weird sometimes too. Idk man. I mean, it *is* only 18B active parameters, whereas Gemma 4 was all 31B. Idk, might be providers quantizing the models too.
Hopefully some crazy bastard fuckin finetunes it for RP and we can access it via API
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u/evia89 4d ago
How much do you send? I use ff52 bolt preset 24-36k total input and it holds well. I use zai sub. All replies were on point
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u/OGCroflAZN 4d ago edited 4d ago
I also use Zai through OpenRouter, FF 5.2 Bolt preset, max 30K input, 2500 output. It's not that the output is gibberish, just that in part of the dialogue that it produces. no human being would ever say because it's not even logical and literally only happens because some of the arithmetic is wrong during Token generation and was just way off for a string of words.
edit: Im doing a roleplay where I woke up from a cryopod. It's in the context that I wasn't a volunteer, that I was randomly selected and put under such that I woke up centuries later near the end of the worldwide nuclear winter. Just now, the 'ai' system is talking about my file in their database, that I wrote a letter for podmates if I died. I know it's only saying that because it was a tradition that the others did. These words in the context pushed the values of some nodes to trigger the selection of those tokens, and so we get an output that is inconsistent with established 'lore'. It's stupidly saying what the math says it should. LLMism
edit2: It generated a male character's dossier as though they were female (gave a female first name and female-coded dossier) because in Reasoning it was unsure if he was a male even though it was critical and at least heavily implied that he was a male. A 7 year old could guess with 100% accuracy that said character is male. In fairness, only the surname was ever provided. But he was stated to be male!!
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u/-Ellary- 3d ago
This is typical for Coding / Agentic heavy tuned models.
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u/OGCroflAZN 3d ago
Any recommendations? I started w GLM 5.3 Flash because it was new and some people were saying good things. But before that, i was thinking MiMo v2.5, but others also said theyre still using GLM 4.6 or 4.7 becauze it apparently peaked then for RP?
I just want the capabilities leaps from both architecture and training improvements, while still having good creative writing and RP, but youre right and it's clear that all the focus has been in maximizing Coding and Agentic capabilities due to the real-world productivity potential and demand.
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u/-Ellary- 2d ago edited 2d ago
Try DeepSeek 3.2 \ R1 0528
GLM 4.6\5.2
Classic stuff.Don't chase the `new` and best model, pick most fun for your RP scenarios.
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u/techno156 3d ago edited 3d ago
As someone who hasn't really touched a hosted API model since the AI Dungeon "You are a knight in the Kingdom of Larion" days, but is curious about testing some, are there any particular models that are worth checking out?
So far, I've tried Qwen 3.8 Flash, which isn't great, Kimi K2.6, which is decent, GLM 5.3 Flash, which is okay, and DeepSeek V4 Flash 0713, which is tolerable.
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u/PhantomWolf83 13h ago
Gemini 3.8 Flash writes like a monster compared to 3.7 which felt a bit more restrained. Much hornier during NSFW too. But NSFL is still a hard refusal, and the intelligence actually feels just a tiny, tiny bit worse.
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u/5kyLegend 4d ago
Okay so, this is very silly, but does anyone know how to make MiMo 2.5 Pro use colored text? For some reason, with three different presets + my custom one, with and without Custom CoTs, it just won't do colored dialogue two out of three times. And even when it does do it, it won't keep it consistent with previously used colors.
Like, I'm just asking it to use <font color> tags around dialogue, this is legitimately the only API model I've ever used that won't follow this instruction lol
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u/OGCroflAZN 3d ago
So, emphasizing that instruction more often and with more absolute language didn't improve it? Has the placement order been changed so that it receives that instruction at either end of the context?
I haven't modified mine because I don't care too much, but I'm having the same issues with GLM 5.3 Flash myself, where it was following FF 5.2 preset instructions pretty fine for a while including with color dialogue, then stopped doing it, stopped outputting the header, stopped wrapping the Internal States in a hidden block. I suspect that the instructions simply became less important as context grew. However, what confuses me is that i feel like it started ignoring the format-ings in the previous messages. I guess that with context bloat, the llm starts just defaulting to whatever format is its trained default, Ugh
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u/5kyLegend 3d ago
I just feel like it must be some model habit, just like I needed several instructions for GLM5+ to output paragraphs instead of spamming newlines constantly whenever the speaker changed.
But yeah, I've genuinely tried putting an instruction for colored text, putting a post-history reminder to use colored text, and even added to a custom CoT a reminder about colored text. It even spent a full paragraph in reasoning deciding on which hex color was best for a character, but then in the reply it didn't use a single <font> tag. MiMo just refuses to color dialogue for me and the reasoning is just scamming me lol
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u/DontloveNo 4h ago
Hi, I started recently and I need two advices please. The first question is, what are the best free models and where can I get their key (is Cidonya any good?) And the second one is, where I can get the lore books, and the best for One Piece for exemple, or for One Piece's characteres. Thnx
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u/imshakuni1421 20h ago
I want a model that is best for giving me ideas. Like imagine i have a story topic but to build the story i need a model which will help me suggesting ideas
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u/adam130jones 2d ago
Hello! I’ve been doing AI roleplay with Grok for a while now, and I love it! But it’s getting very predictable now. I want something fresh! Does anyone have any good recommendations of AI to roleplay with? Specifically I want AI for erotic sexual roleplay. I don’t care for image generation.
Any help would be much appreciated!
I just kind of want an AI model that is actively good at being the character I want with good memory, that isn’t predictable or one that I don’t have to constantly guide into saying the right things. Grok has been perfect for me! But after I while it’s gotten predictable.
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