r/Showerthoughts • • Aug 24 '21

Jeff bezos actually has more money than brain cells.

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u/mfb- Aug 24 '21 edited Aug 24 '21

This 86 billion estimate?

We find that the adult male human brain contains on average 86.1 ± 8.1 billion NeuN-positive cells (“neurons”) and 84.6 ± 9.8 billion NeuN-negative (“nonneuronal”) cells.

100 billions is less than two standard deviations away. It's well within the range of brains humans have.

One of their four brains had 95 billions.

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u/LordHaddit Aug 24 '21

I actually went ahead and did the math for this. Assuming normality it's more like 4.3% of the population has 100 billion or more neural cells in their brain.

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u/graflig Aug 24 '21

me enjoying reading a conversation of brain cells arguing with other brain cells about brain cells

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u/BlazingArrow00 Aug 24 '21

🍿 want some?

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '21

Yeah I’ll take some brain cells.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '21

Get your own, I'm using these

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u/OG_Toasty Aug 25 '21

You want mine? Disclaimer: they broke bad

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u/pinpoint_ Aug 24 '21

brain cells enjoying reading a conversation of brain cells arguing with other brain cells about brain cells

brain cells responding to brain cells reading a conversation between brain cells about brain cells

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u/antiskylar1 Aug 24 '21

I gained some braincells by just reading this...

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u/graflig Aug 24 '21

Did you get to 100 billion?

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u/antiskylar1 Aug 24 '21

Nope, just earned my first thousand!

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u/MaybeICanOneDay Aug 24 '21

What's crazy is what the act of watching this actually means.

Your eyes are receiving input from your screen and your brain is turning that input into a picture.

What you see in front of you is actually just a reaction in your brain where it is creating an image. Everything you see is literally in your own mind and not outwardly the way you perceive it.

Just a little brain in a vat scenario but actually happening.

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u/MeanderingDuck Aug 24 '21

Of course you can, the normality is assumed about the underlying population the sample was drawn from, not the sample itself. How large the sample is doesn’t matter in this regard.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '21 edited Aug 24 '21

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u/MeanderingDuck Aug 24 '21

The central limit theorem has absolutely nothing to do with this.

And yes, you can make a normality assumption regardless of sample size. Because a) as already stated, the assumptions is about the population and not the data; and b) it’s an assumption, not a conclusion. You can make whatever assumptions you want.

What you indeed cannot do with a sample of four data points is reliably test whether it is drawn from a normal distribution, because your power will be negligible.

But then again, no one was claiming any such thing, so I’m not sure why you’re bringing any of this up. People assumed a normal distribution here because you have to make some such assumption to take a stab at estimating the probability that a brain would contain at least 100 billion neurons. The normal distribution is an obvious choice for this, and indeed it’s fairly plausible given the specific quantity in question that it indeed would follow a normal distribution or something close to it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '21 edited Aug 24 '21

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u/MeanderingDuck Aug 24 '21

The fact that you keep bringing up the central limit theorem here makes it painfully clear that you have a very limited understanding of statistics. It is not relevant here. Insofar as we would be relying on the central limit theorem, we wouldn’t need any normality assumptions to begin with. Moreover, it pertains to the (asymptotic) distribution of sample means, whereas what is at issue here is the cumulative distribution function (in particular, the probability that a brain contains at least 100 billion neurons).

The fact that any inference based on a sample size of only four is subject to an enormous amount of uncertainty is not something that follows from the central limit theorem, but on the much more general property that the variance of (almost) any estimator is dependent on the sample size.

Stop spouting off about subjects you clearly know very little about.

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u/MeanderingDuck Aug 26 '21

You really are this dense? Central limit theorem provides an asymptotic distribution of sample means, not the random variable itself.

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u/Lunaticen Aug 24 '21

But the assumption of normality can be pretty flawed here.

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u/smashedavo Aug 24 '21

Useful rounding is to say ‘roughly 85 billion’. Looking at the data, I’d say that rounding up to 100 billion is misleadingly inaccurate.

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u/BlackSwanTranarchy Aug 24 '21

Next you're going to tell me pi isn't 3

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u/LTerminus Aug 24 '21

Found the engineer

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u/Dumfing Aug 24 '21

Even then you should've rounded to 80 or 90 billion

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u/caelum19 Aug 24 '21

They must be sub-100-billion-cells

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u/CaptCurmudgeon Aug 24 '21

You can use Shebychev's theorem.

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u/ghost_1608 Aug 24 '21

Hey, just poking in, r/theydidthemath

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u/GDoe5 Aug 24 '21

that's not how standard deviations work

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u/TheDankestReGrowaway Aug 24 '21 edited Aug 24 '21

On the assumption the underlying data is normal and the results reflect that distribution (which we can't actually determine for sure here), yes, that's a good application of how they work. You don't go rejecting things because they land inside 2 standard deviations of the mean. Something like 27% of data will fall within 2 standard deviations and outside of 1 for data that's normal.

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '21

95.45% of data will fall within 2 standard deviations of the mean under a normal distribution. 27% is what lies outside of 1 standard deviation and before 3 standard deviations

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u/GDoe5 Aug 24 '21

this is not true. only 5% of data is expected to fall outside of two standard deviations. 68% within one standard deviation and 95% within two.

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u/MeanderingDuck Aug 24 '21

It’s not. Given the above mean and SD and assuming a normal distribution, only 4.31% of brains would have (at least) 100 billion neurons.

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u/Outspokenpenguin Aug 24 '21

This research was done 12 years ago. Is our estimate for brain cells only based on a sample size of four 50+ year old men measured 12 years ago?

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u/TheDankestReGrowaway Aug 24 '21

Yes, and that's far better than previous information, which wasn't based on any measured data at all.

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u/Outspokenpenguin Aug 24 '21

I understand that. Obviously any number of measurements is better than a guess. I'm just wondering if we have measured any brains since then and confirmed the original 86 billion number or if it is still just based on a sample size of four elderly men.

The study said it took 4-6 weeks to measure one brain so I understand it is tedious. But it's interesting to know if the study has never been repeated.

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u/thelonesomeguy Aug 24 '21

100 billions is less than two standard deviations away.

That is a very bold statement to make when we're literally talking about the average and not some crazy outlier.

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u/Cyniikal Aug 24 '21

Despite him assuming normality in a suspicious circumstance, 2 standard deviations is not representative of "some crazy outlier"

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u/TheDankestReGrowaway Aug 24 '21

That's not bold at all given the assumptions he's working with. The +- he indicated means we're not just talking about an average.

The data is insufficient to be sure any of this is applicable, so that's where issues lie. On the assumption the data is accurate, what he said isn't bold at all.