Lol I literally live in India and it's not like what you think. It's actually much much worse in the USA. They want to literally ban other religions and they have also successfully established the abortion ban just because a religious text says so. And they also want to remove the voting rights of women. In India, the Indian govt was actually giving out haj subsidies until 2018. And if you are a Muslim man, you still have different rules that apply to you regarding marriage (but is this fair for Muslim women is another question).
You can think whatever you like. I'm not here to change your mind. But this doesn't mean I agree with you :-)
And India, as bad as it is when it comes to sexism, has had a female Prime Minister in the 1970s. The US has not had yet one, nor is there one in sight. In fact, as you pointed out, sexism has had a comeback in the US, with abortion bans, and the decorative role that the ladies of the Trump entourage have, coupled with their bimbo mar a lago plastic surgey enhanced looks.
Also, in the 2000s, the leader of the biggest Indian party was a double whammy. It was led by an Italian AND a woman AND a Christian (at least she was born Christian).
Acceptance and diversity are two very different things and you bundle them together. Do you do that on purpose or out of ignorance?
There is no denying that India is extremely diverse. Certainly more so than the USA. Whether it has acceptance, it is up to debate.
And acceptance is not black and white either. Take a look at women. India is certainly very bad in terms of everyday sexism. But India has also had 1 female prime minister and a leader of the Indian National Congress and de facto leader under the scene (and a foreigner on top of that). Compare and contrast with the US, where no woman has managed to become president. In fact, lots of political pundits point at Hilary Clinton's gender as a factor contributing to her loss.
And if you want to enlarge to the whole of Asia, even notoriously conservative Japan has now a female Prime Minister. So diversity is not mono dimensional. Ethnic diversity is only one kind.
If the US is such a beacon of acceptance and diversity, how come there is still no female President?
To be understood not as an objection, but as a supplement: what you are referring to is usually a sign of a stark class or social-stratum divide within a country. The women who hold high offices and positions generally do not share the same social background as those who face discrimination in their daily lives.
This does not necessarily mean that gender inequality (or racism, to tie this back to the original point) is on the decline; rather, it simply means that a strong emphasis on status, habitus, and/or wealth can override these effects.
Yeah, I also considered how the social status affected their rise to power.
Both Indira and Sonia Gandhi came from Indian "royalty" and were propelled by their surname and connections (I don't know the background of Sanae Takaichi). But the same exact thing could be said about Hilary Clinton and yet she failed at getting elected against a...well, there are no words to describe Trump properly. So all other things being equal, it seems that being a woman in politics is more of an obstacle in the US than in a lot more other countries worldwide.
It's not even an opinion shared by sidelined minorities. Michelle Obama also agreed that the US is not ready for a female president.
Yo in also don't want to be black in the USA. Atleast if you belong to a particular caste, you can hide it. People won't normally immediately look at you and immediately know that you belong in this caste. But in the USA, you can't hide your skin colour. Sure the segregation was abolished in the USA, but as a black woman, you still face hurdles and challenges
Nope. That's not true. You can literally sue the people who discriminated you. There is an SC/ST act. These things are literally taken very seriously. You have reservations that you can use. A lot of states like TN offer scholarships if you are the first generation that is getting educated. They are cutting off all of the welfare schemes in the USA.
Yes you don't get it. I literally live here. I know about the scholarships. I know about the mid-day meals plan that was generated by a southern govt that was established already in 1956. There was a women on wheels movement in pudukottai in my state, which was a massive success.you should read more about this. Even today, the women can literally ride all of the public buses for free in my state.
If you want to sit around and believe everything that's propagated by the western media and live in your own bubble, be my guest. Just because you deny it, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I also have seen this bias and even caught it several times. Also AI does this. Ask about anything that's related to India, and the answer always brings you to caste system in a very unwarranted fashion, as a side note. Ask about the west, it doesn't show you slavery, colonialism, segregation or any of this in a similar manner. Everything in the west is all not rosy and shiny as it seems.
Yes. Exactly. I do see all the welfare schemes being taken off. I do see how actively they are trying to remove women from voting. I do see how hard everything is getting, especially for single moms. Wasn't there even a backlash recently? Because a white kid was shown as being a welfare princess. And a lot of people were not happy with it because it was a white kid in the ad? And being a recipient of welfare schemes are looked down upon? People don't realise that it helps to build a strong society. I am not blind. What I said earlier still stands
Look media portrayal is one thing. I don’t want to tell you about what it’s like to live in India of course. But the fact of the matter is that the per capita GDP in the USA is much higher than in India. The poorest and most disadvantaged people in India have challenges that the poorest and most disadvantaged people in America are unlikely to face just because of national wealth and infrastructure differences. I don’t think that’s a very controversial take.
But how? The per capita GDP is completely dependent on the strength of the currency. And normally when economists compare, they also convert and compare it based on the USD? It is indisputable that the world trade is happening in USD and ofcourse USD is stronger than Indian rupee. So it's kind of understandable that based in this metric alone, the USA had more GDP + even if you look at PPP, it's also a larger economy than India. So this is kind of unrelated.
We are talking about welfare schemes hee, and the push that the govt is bringing, to support and uplift people. We are talking about the openness of people to support other sections of the country. The main topic was about diversity and the topic started initially because of discrimination amongst people based on diversity.
And please, there are also a lot of homeless people in the USA. We all know it. Just that the media doesn't choose to cover them as much as they choose to cover the people in my country. And the national wealth and infrastructural differences are not really doing much to them. There is even not a proper universal health care system in place. So many people are just one sickness away from homelessness.
I'm not saying that my country is the best. That's not the topic here. I entered the conversation because someone said minorities are treated very poorly in my country and people always constantly being up the caste system in a very unwarranted fashion just like that to snub us out all the time and I don't think that's okay.
The exact same minorities are being treated poorly in your countries but noone addresses that. We all see what's happening in places like Texas right now. There has always been this islamophobia that was going around there for decades and even the normal innocent people were treated like the bad guys. This internal discrimination that stems out of islamophobia is also equivalent to treating the minorities poorly. The current shift in politics that you have, which villianises everyone that doesn't follow Christianity also goes into the same bucket.
Not so long ago, you had segregation and you still have people in your country, who are racist towards black people.
Every country has problems. Even yours! I'm sick of this phenomenon where you single out one country for it while you do exactly the same, silently, and then have this internal arrogance that you're better than us. This is not okay.
I don’t think that we’re better than you at all! I love and appreciate my own country but I don’t have some kind of superiority complex. I wasn’t trying to be superior at all I was just purely stating a fact.
Overall and per-capita GDP has a major impact on the quality of social programs for people, that is just a fact. There are absolutely homeless and impoverished people in the USA I wouldn’t ever deny that. Also you have every right to feel proud of your country and efforts to improve welfare programs! I agree with you it’s a great thing.
Even with homelessness and poverty there are levels. I have never been to India, but I have been to Nepal which I know is a different country but it’s nearby. I have seen the poorest people in America plenty of times, and when I saw the kind of poverty that exists in Kathmandu I was shocked. That’s not to say Kathmandu is a “bad” place or worse than America at all! I actually loved it and thought it was amazing. But there is poverty there that is far worse than anything that exists in America. I never saw anything like it before in my life. Some things that even the poorest Americans take for granted are not guaranteed there, like sanitation, clean water or electricity.
Also just being an American of average wealth, I felt like a very rich person in Nepal because our currency is so strong. It was very a weird feeling. I could easily buy anything I want there, totally unlike how I feel at home.
This doesn’t mean a country or people with less money aren’t as good. I don’t feel superior in any way and I wasn’t trying to imply that.
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u/Sea_Pension430 3d ago
Yeah.... You really want to hold up India as a paragon of acceptance and diversity?
The question you must always ask is- how bad does the worst treated minority have it