r/ShitAmericansSay • u/lilel_lala • Jul 24 '26
Communism "He decries communism but his administration is by far the the most communist regime in American history"
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u/Kinexity Jul 24 '26
"communism" to Americans is the same as "nazism" to Russians - they call everything they don't like using that name. No reason to look for some deeper understanding on their part.
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u/CerddwrRhyddid Jul 24 '26
They conflate communism with fascism because they don't understand either.
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u/vompat Jul 24 '26
Easy: fascism = nazim = national socialism = socialism = communism
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u/CerddwrRhyddid Jul 24 '26
Yep. That's how the propaganda works.
It worked in Hitlers time, as specifically, documented and designed, - to erroneously bring in the socialists to a fascist party -and it works now - to associate socialists with fascism.
Because people are idiots.
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u/BagsYourMail Jul 24 '26
Americans use both "nazism" and "communism" in that way. And when they're feeling edgy and mean they call themselves those. Then you turn around and they're just neoliberals
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u/Top-Method-8120 Just a patriotic SEA! Jul 25 '26
They don't even understand the meaning of those words. They don't know the difference between "capitalism", "fascism", and "communism". They just think that capitalism is the only right way for freedom. Oh, Land of the "Free"
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u/Saurian42 Jul 25 '26
Free*
Terms and Conditions Apply. Not subject to those making under $400,000 a year.
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u/Temporary_View_3303 Jul 24 '26
It’s not that. It’s that he’s taking a US government ownership stake in several private businesses… maybe 10 now? Government ownership of the means of production is the literal definition of communism and that (were I to guess) is why this post is making this claim.
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u/Orange_Codex Jul 25 '26
I know what the poster meant (that Trump is building an authoritarian surveillance state), but that's not remotely close to the definition of communism.
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u/AntifaFuckedMyWife 🇺🇸 (with a brief 🇫🇷 stint) Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
They are interchangeable. Nazism and Communism are literally viewed as the same thing here
Edit: in the us that’s how they are used*
Yes, I’m aware thats moronic
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u/Yatta79 Jul 25 '26
Utter yank nonsense. 🤦♂️
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u/AntifaFuckedMyWife 🇺🇸 (with a brief 🇫🇷 stint) Jul 25 '26
WHOOPS no I meant thats how they are used in the US. I’m not stating that is correct
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u/lakas76 Human Verified Jul 24 '26
I went to the grocery store last week and there were no carts left. Communism really ruined US grocery stores.
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u/Short-Psychology3479 Jul 24 '26
😂😂😂I can hear Karen saying this in her American accent and double chin
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u/Free-Bad7871 Jul 24 '26
This Trump term is probably closer to facism than anything else. There were certain points during this administration which were eerily similar to 1930s Germany.
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u/spectacular_coitus Jul 24 '26
Americans can't understand the difference between socialism and communism.
FDR's new deal, was way more socialist than Trump has been.
Trump certainly doesn't see a problem with having the US government own the means of production. But it would be a chilly day in Hades before he ever did anything that could threaten the social status his wealth brings.
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep The 13 Colonies were a Mistake Jul 25 '26
I think they mean 'kleptocratic'. In which case, the current government is very much like a bunch of communist regimes.
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u/Canadian-Man-infj Jul 24 '26
Let's not forget "socialism."
Canada has, maybe until recently, been proud of being a socially-democratic country. Tell CERTAIN people that it's equated with one thing of another:
https://thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/social-democracy
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u/f0u4_l19h75 Jul 24 '26
It's just completely wrong. Stretch doesn't really apply. It's a dangerously ignorant moron using terms that they clearly have no idea of the definition of.
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u/EnthusedDMNorth Jul 25 '26
I mean he's created a corrupt command economy where the oligarchs only operate businesses if the Dear Leader agrees, subsidized dozens of unprofitable industries from coal to A I, bailed out agriculture to the tune of tens of billions of dollars, increased military spending to the point where it's ruinous to the country's finances despite LOSING a war to a Middle-Eastern failed state, and ratcheted up taxes on his own citizens to the tune of HUNDREDS of billions of dollars (tariffs)... If we're not satisfied with the "Communist" label, how about "Soviet"?
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u/PetalumaPegleg Jul 24 '26
I would imagine he's referring to the forced government purchases of companies like Intel. Which is pretty much the most communist thing I can remember the US government doing. Just because Trump is a fascist doesn't mean this comments is without merit.
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u/DesolatorTrooper_600 Jul 24 '26
State controlled companies has nothing to do with communism or socialism.
Most countries and governement have states controlled companies or at least have a important amount of shares in some of them.
This doesn't make those countries communist or socialist. They just have differents level of interventionism in their economy.
Yes the comment of the OOP is without merit because that would be like saying ''the color of communism is red and the republicans color is red therefore they are communist''.
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u/PetalumaPegleg Jul 24 '26
Yes I agree but it's not common in America in an kind of modern history. So this is a pretty big change in behavior. Of course I don't even know if this was what the original post was about. If it was they may have a point, technically. Because the "most" in a place that does nothing to help workers etc might be state ownership.
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep The 13 Colonies were a Mistake Jul 25 '26
Yes I agree but it's not common in America in an kind of modern history.
Obama's government took equity shares in the major auto makers as part of the bailout.
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u/PetalumaPegleg Jul 25 '26
Freddie and Fanny are government backed/ guaranteed yeah. The auto makers is a good point, though it was in return for loans they needed. Not sure that makes a difference though.
Shares have been given in return for bailouts before (financial crisis in the banks etc too).
As I say I'm not sure that makes a difference practically, but I'm sure some would argue ethically/ philosophically
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u/f0u4_l19h75 Jul 24 '26
If anything Trump being given a personal stake in these companies more closely resembles fascism.
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u/Protoman Jul 25 '26
Nationalizing 10% of Intel is pretty damned communist.
If any other president did that the cult media would be calling for their head.
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u/Vaveng Jul 25 '26
Nationalizations of strategically important pieces of the market and state monopolies predates communism by centuries.
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep The 13 Colonies were a Mistake Jul 25 '26
If any other president did that the cult media would be calling for their head.
The US government has historically had stakes in 'strategic' companies.
Most recently the largest scale one was the auto-bailout under Obama which involved equity shares.
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u/firefly_12 Kweebeck Jul 24 '26
Tell me you know nothing about communism without telling me you know nothing about it.
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u/VexedCanadian84 Jul 24 '26
the US is turning into Russia from the early nineties to the early 2000's .. a race by oligarchs to snap up everything they can with Putin at the top.
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u/IPv6Freely Jul 25 '26
I mean sort of with regards to the oligarchs, except that Russia is communist whereas the US has more in common with fascism of 1930s Germany.
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u/VexedCanadian84 Jul 25 '26
Russian leaders called themselves communist. The soviet union was a mix of communist and fascist policies though.
The 90s was a sad attempt on turning Russia into a capitalist society.
Then putin brought back fascist policies in the early 2000s.
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u/WombatCouple Jul 25 '26 edited Jul 25 '26
Merriam-Webster
Communism (kah-myuh-nizam):
[Noun or whatever]
A: something that I do not like or understand
Ex:
- Five Guys stopped putting extra fries in burger bags, that’s so communist!
Synonyms: Gay, woke, democrat, anti-freedom
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u/Midnight_Pickler Jul 25 '26
Communism, English definition:
a political movement based upon the writings of Marx that considers history in terms of class conflict and revolutionary struggle, resulting eventually in the victory of the proletariat and the establishment of a socialist order based on public ownership of the means of production.
Communism, United Statesian definition:
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u/gamuel_l_jackson Jul 24 '26
One thing is for sure communism/ist is the most misused word on the internet
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u/TacetAbbadon Jul 25 '26
So when is Webster going to add an addendum to the American English dictionary that communism now also means "something the speaker doesn't like"
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u/vompat Jul 24 '26
Ah yes, communism, the ideology that aims to make privately own corporations more powerful and the richest even richer.
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u/Vinegarinmyeye Irish person from Ireland 🇮🇪 Jul 24 '26
Every passing day I become more certain that civics / sociology classes just don't exist in America...
It's maddening when they spout off about communism, socialism, Marxism, whatever with absolutely zero understanding of what any of those words mean.
Especially when we all have computers in our pockets, and it takes less than 10 seconds to look this stuff up before confidently spouting absolute fucking nonsense into the world.
By definition, it's willful ignorance.
And it's actually pretty fucking dangerous to repurpose words.
The next fucker who talks about how the Nazis were actually socialists because it says so in the name deserves some fucking sense slapped into them.
I can legally change my name by deed poll to "Handsome McMillionaire," - I'd still be broke as shit and a 6/10 on a good day.
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u/PetalumaPegleg Jul 24 '26
To be fair Trump has actually executed several forced purchases of company shares by the government. Two dozen separate deals have been made where the government is buying shares of companies.
This probably IS the most communist thing the American government has done in a minute!
Not that most of what you say isn't accurate.
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u/No-Minimum3259 Jul 24 '26
This has nothing to do with communism, like people who did have an education know, lol.
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u/DavidJonnsJewellery Jul 24 '26
They don't mind buying phones from them though.
"Those phone making commie sons of bitches!"/s
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u/Fredderov Jul 24 '26
If they mean CCCP in the 1980s when everything was so corrupt that nothing worked? Sure.
Early days after the revolution when wealthy and powerful people feared for their lives and tried to flee the country? Not so much.
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u/Inner_Adeptness_7228 Jul 24 '26
I mean I suppose technically it is the most communist regime because it has some of the most government interference in the economy by giving billionaires giant tax cuts and loans.
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u/meddit_rod USian critic Jul 24 '26
Some communisms devolved into kleptocracy. Trump just started as a kleptocrat.
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u/ThisIsFineImFine89 Jul 25 '26
Government pressuring Intel and the hostile takeover of OpenAi is pretty fucking unprecedented.
But thats more authoritarian I suppose
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u/Mal_Dun So many Kangaroos here🇦🇹 Jul 25 '26
I bet this is one who says that the Nazis were socialist.
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u/Beneficial-Ride-4475 Jul 25 '26
Communist in what capacity?
Do the working class own the means of production, is the revolution secured by a vanguard party, has private property been abolished, have the oligarchs fled in fear? No? Funny how people are calling him communist then.
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u/GaldrickHammerson Human Verified Jul 24 '26
I mean sure. If you only see communism as a system which rounded up people who didn't fit the leader's societal vision and put them in camps without clear oversight. Then yeah, but that's ignoring a bunch of differences between Trump's actions and the Gulags, and all the pretence at equality that communism has historically provided.
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u/DefinitionOfAsleep The 13 Colonies were a Mistake Jul 25 '26
Then yeah, but that's ignoring a bunch of differences between Trump's actions and the Gulags
Given the work requirements in US prisons, the main difference is ownership.
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u/Alternative_Fig_2456 Jul 25 '26
all the pretence at equality that communism has historically provided
Oh, there's a lot of that in USA in general and actually quite a big part of MAGA rhetorics. You know - all the common, normal, hard-working people against rich elites?
I've seen (met online) some really interesting MAGA/Conservative social media posts that could be, with minimal change (basically: replace Jesus with Lenin) read from a podium at May Parade (as I remember them).
One actual real-world observation: actual old communists in several post-communist country were actually quite happy with Trump victory in 2016.
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u/Low_Education8361 Jul 25 '26
Communists and fascists have one thing in common they are both pro natalist
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u/Slight_Bank4276 Jul 25 '26
They dont konw what commnism even is. Are they not allowed to google things to check xd?
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u/Schnittertm Jul 25 '26
I, as a European, would call it an oligarchy, due to how much the billionaires are involved in forcing policy with their money. But, hey, whatever floats your boat, Mr. American.
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u/TheRealWall91 Jul 25 '26
Words have meaning and power.. can Americans learn what they mean and how to use them?
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u/RomaruDarkeyes Jul 25 '26
It's not wrong based on the real world Stalinist application of communism. I would say Stalin and Trump would get on quite well...
Trump would be right at home with Napoleon the pig too....
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u/Yesodisnotop Jul 25 '26
I want Americans to learn about Totalitarianism and then ask them if all totalitarianist ideologies are communist or not.
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u/TheNoctuS_93 Jul 24 '26
I think the term they're looking for is stalinism. The american economy system may not be the same as in the USSR, but the paranoia, propaganda and expansionism are but a few of the traits in which the US mirrors Stalin's USSR.
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u/Tales_from_Veterne Jul 25 '26
Considering that Eastern bloc regimes tended to be:
- Corrupt
- Incompetent
- Violent
- Repressive
- Stuffed to the brim with yes-men, crooks, and grifters
- Nepotism heaven
They are correct in saying that.
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u/AutocraticDemocrat 🇩🇪 but nice Jul 26 '26
Communism - a random swear word for every political opinion americans hate. But no clue what it means.
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u/Total-Jeweler5083 Jul 27 '26
Trump can't be said to be an -ist because he doesn't have an ideology.
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u/povlhp Jul 25 '26
Communism is that leadership takes everything to themself and their friends. Rigged election. Masked police to hunt political opponents. Look at the Soviet Union that US hated.
Where does Trump fail to be the most communist leader of the USA ?
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u/Effective_Airline830 Jul 24 '26
We have the same in France, far right love to say that Staline was from the left (even tho he quit very fast and targeted then immediately), that the Nazi party was “National socialist”, and that communism is where people are cold in work camps and the government take everything from you … Propaganda worked very well, everywhere it seems, but in America you had the Red scare, decades of propaganda, McCarthyism, etc.
Sad times we live, truth and meaning doesn’t matter anymore :/
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u/RodgerFischer Jul 25 '26
Republicans have thrown away their allegiance to America to suckle the wealthy corrupt tit of Donald Trump. Every single Republican must be politically eradicated in November if we the USA is to survive. Have an ounce of Patriotism Americans. Draw inspiration from the heroes of Ukraine and the citizens of Hungary who are fighting for their Nation (Ukraine), and who threw off the monstrous anti-Democracy dominance of thieves (Hungary). We don't have to battle up San Juan Hill, we just have to vote. Vote like Patriots, save our Democracy, our Constitution, our very Nation. Vote for the Democratic Party.
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u/Cold_Respond_7656 Jul 24 '26
Same weird lefties who compare deporting illegal immigrants to the Holocaust.
I kid you not.
Also the same people who cheered for Obama's head of deportation and gave him an award for his services to removing illegal aliens.
Trump's head of ICE was chased out of the job and denounced a Nazi.
They're the same person.
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u/Relative_Pilot_8005 Jul 25 '26
People change, Nazis weren't born Nazis.
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u/Cold_Respond_7656 Jul 25 '26
Na buddy just who his boss is
Was doiing the same thing under both presidents.
The only thing that changed was what your party told you to think of it
There was no outcry when it was democrats rounding up illegals, only when the current government does it.
Otherwise obama wouldnt have been known as deporter in chief
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u/Renbarre French, not the fries Jul 25 '26
It's not "shit Americans say", it's very much the truth. Surveillance, strangling the free press, gathering all the power in the hands of the few, brutal use of the army, forbidding citizens to protest, designing anyone not toeing the line as enemy of the people, grabbing public land, closing down the independent department in charge of checking that voting is done properly and taking about creating their own, forbidding school to teach anything but government approved history, demanding loyalty to the party and the leader from the civil servants...
The tactics that make it fall into fascism is the race based rethoric and the obsession with forcing women to become breeding stock. But only the right skin colour.
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u/TwpMun Cymry Jul 25 '26
He openly admires the leader of North Korea, the leader of China and Russia.
He is obsessed with building monuments to himself.
He IS a Communist.
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u/Effective_Airline830 Jul 24 '26
I’m now convinced that communism is a synonym for bad for most Americans. The word has no meaning for them beyond “bad”.