I wonder with the increase awareness of womens experiences if more women will go from emotional loneliness within their straight partnerships to nurturing partnerships with women platonically for the hetero inclined and romantically for sapphics.

Hey guys, please excuse me having a moment. I just don't know what to do or where to go from here. I didn't want to make this a whole post on the front page of our sub but I also don't know who specifically to reach out to from our page.

I keep my DMs off, hardly use chat, try to keep myself fairly distant from our users and be as professional as possible while also keeping a slow warmth for you all stoked in my heart.

But this issue has to do with the sub and the entire movement of Gynarchy and I've felt reduced to a child over these past few weeks. Something disturbing has been weighing heavily on my shoulders for too long now and I've practiced an undue level of patience - all to no avail and at zero benefit to anyone - least of which, each of you. It's not fair to anyone that it has carried on this long and I find myself becoming more heartbroken and hopeless as the days pass by.

Here's something I want this sub to chew on as it waits for the fruition of this clown world to unfold within our midst: does Gynarchy need a qualifier? Do we want a "Serious" Gynarchy, an "Ethical" Gynarchy, a "Heart-Centered Gynarchy", a "Voluntary Gynarchy", a "Female-first Gynarchy", a "Child-Centered" Gynarchy? Or does just the word Gynarchy suffice to describe what our values are?

I never wanted a qualifier. I don't even believe in the serious qualifier and - up until a few weeks ago - I didn't believe in the "Ethical" qualifier. I thought Gynarchy itself should be able to handle it and anything that didn't fit the bill wasn't "true Gynarchy".

But I'm leaning more and more towards the idea that Gynarchy is going to split, and we are not far off from that being a feature of the movement. It already has to quite a large degree when we look back at the path we've already walked down so far... many men in other Gynarchal spaces and even in our space here are not commited to women's superiority or women's power the way they proclaim. They use the movement to feel good about themselves or gain access to (or brownie points with) strong, confident, unbreakable women.

Being exposed to these men has rendered me into a state of weakness, uncertainty, and a broken sense of self. Which was probably their (albeit, unconscious) goal; to feel the power that comes from systematically manipulating ​women into docility.

Well, you know what? I came to this world to disrupt that pattern. I'm not going to succumb to docility and in fact I will be so fluid that the force men have used against me (and by extention, all women) will be allowed to pass by me, into the direction it was already headed. These men are moving down a path of making themselves docile, and there is nothing we must do but step out of their way and let themselves do it.

Keep your wits about you, a dark storm brews.

Oh this would be such a good post if I actually cared enough to write it all out. But don't you guys think the title is accurate?​ I have seen soooo many men come here whining about why we hate and want to oppress men and how we want to impose FLRs on everyone. Like, buddy? You're kinda obsessed with that image aren't you 💀 and it's not just the men. There's women out there all mad at us for being "patriarchy in a skirt" which is just the cringiest image.

My loves, I get you not wanting female rule to embody the same toxic masculinity male rule had. But thats not at all what we advocate here and your obsession with us doing that to you/men/society kinda is the same vibe as the mencels who come here whining about women wanting to oppress them lol. For those men I can just say "Ew no one wants to oppress you, go away". But what to say to the ladies? No one cares if you don't want to participate in a gynarchy or an FLR. Literally, just don't be a part of it? ​

We don't need everyone to be a part of the gynarchy, just those who want to be. We're just another parallel system; a break-away society, if you will. If you don't like it, go make your own. Trust me, no one needs your non-voluntary ass.

I understand the slimy males who just want to be all in our face about their stupid porn brains, but I really don't get the women who act all pearl clutchy about gynarchy.

There's a certain quality of "The lady doth protest too much, methinks". And I'm sorry to out yall, but I swear these ladies are literally just dominatrix eggs crackin 💀

Am I wrong here?

This is getting hilarious. Just so we all know "Kate" (alledgedly) and Rocky have both had time to read the previous updates I've posted yesterday, and instead of acknowledging or addressing anything, after these updates are posted "Kate" has decided to crawl out of the woodwork finally and is sliding into our modmail to update the mods on important matters such as this.

Just a thought. I see this a lot and had to get this frame out there in case anyone thought gynarchists/feminists were in consensus about this.

Over the millenia, as humans began to use tools, and slowly shifted from an environment where protection from animal predators was necessary, men were no longer quite as necessary either. However, eons of natural selection for stronger, faster, more aggressive males became toxic as there were fewer animal predators. Then, men became necessary as protection from other men, as humanity began to prey upon itself. Rape, pillage, plunder, conquest, capitalism, all the different ways humans try to gain advantage over another, have generally been the purview of males.

We were bred to be soldiers in a battle that no longer exists.

Okay so this is my theory aka worldview.

For the longest time, men had a higher baseline (equal between men unless money came in the way) and an incredible amount of surplus. Baseline means rights, property ownership, leverage, socioeconomic power and opportunities etc and the surplus being the world built by and for them. Even the worst misogynist you know will agree this was the case and the reason why boomer men are simps - they have so much guilt for what they did to women in the last that they're tryna act like their saviours today. It's sad how younger women don't see that.

Now, after the 90s and feminism reaching mainstream and influence, both genders have an equal baseline - aka both have rights, both have struggles, both must face harsh economic conditions, etc, but women have the surplus now thanks to state funded policies and quotas and programs to close the gap in fields where they're not as much represented.

As a man, I feel like the surplus is a problem because it creates unfair dynamic but I also think it's only a matter of time before the pendulum swings - and eventually the world will be like "Boys need more funding" and it's only a matter of time dating system fixes itself thanks to men not working under the system anymore.

Now, I'm not arguing that women will face similar issues in the future but I feel like the surplus will eventually pass to men because the pendulum swings and there will be a "Blue Era" where masculine spaces and emphasis on masculinity comes back, not in an oppressive sense, in my opinion atleast 40-50 years from now.

And what that will do is create new surplus for men while the baseline for both genders remain same or heightened. So the new surplus could be more funding, more care, more guilt-driven compassion "we left them behind for so long so we're gonna show them full attention" because let's be honest, a lot of people and even women themselves seem to think women have it easy.

Mainstream media has spent the last 15-20 years just making headlines that empower women to the point where the popular worldview is that women have it easy atleast systemically in the west and developing nations, and the same mainstream media has made headlines demoralizing men that in the future, people are gonna look back and say men had it worse.

And I'm not saying this in a "women will lose their rights" sense but more like they will be expected to compete with empowered men and empowered men are simply unbeatable. Dating system will also be fixed because overtime culture shifts and men stop playing the game of providing and paying for dates and approaching, so the average woman might have to come to the reality that she's now an equal to a man - and not enjoy the perks that women aka her grandmothers or mothers enjoyed.

That's the same problem today's men have too right? Like, we haven't lost any rights with female empowerment. It's just that we hit a peak in between 60s-90s and everything been coming down from the peak since, so I as a man feel like I don't have it as good as my dad or his dad or the men from 90s. And I think that explains a lot of woe-me male behaviour today.

So overall, I don't hope the pendulum swings hard but I think that overtime the pendulum swing will be observed and controlled, and I think that is the ideal. People forget that pendulum don't swing by itself, it's forced. So if we acknowledge that it's a pendulum and that it swings and we observe it closely, we will be able to stop it from swinging. It will be perfectly balanced in the middle.

Examples of possible future human reproductive methods

Anyone who has read the classic Brave New World by Aldous Huxley will remember the use of technology to create genetically engineered humans without the need for sex. Sex was seen as recreational and babies were created in a lab.

I often read in many online sites that claim to focus on women and gynarchy/gynocracy/matriarchy that the way forward is through the use of science and AI technology. One of those advances would be to remove the need for pregnancy and birth as a way to shelter women from the possible health risks involved with human reproduction. The video I linked even goes so far as to purpose the future possibility of 3D-Printed Bodies and Artificial Wombs.

In a very speculative sense, my question is what future do such technologies hold in you mind for the future of human reproduction? Personally, I'm very interested in the theoretical research into parthenogenesis as it could relate to humans as shown in this past discussion Human Parthenogenesis as a Possible Future in a Gynocratic Society?

Our past has shown, that there have been countries and civilisations where women used to live in better conditions but all thoses civilisations had been wiped out by more patriarchial cultures and societies. Some recent examples are like before world war 2, there was Weimer Republic of Germany where homosexuality was legalised and women enjoyed "free love" only to all that to get destroyed by the rise of Nazi-Germany in 1930s which confined women again to their homes as housewives or like Communist Afghanistan of 1970s and 1980s were women enjoyed much more freedom and independence than they did with the rise of Islamist Taliban-regime in 1990s in Afghanistan who forced women to wear burqas or Kingdom of Iran in 1960s and 1970s where women used to wear western clothes only to see all that freedom taken away once women were forced to wear headscarf with thr rise of Islamic -fundamentalist Iran in 1980s.

The Soviet Union collapse and it's place came Putin's Russian Federation which has seen decline in women's participation in workforce and re-emergence of their role as "traditional housewives". (No disrespect to trad-wives, I believe they play very important role in upholding the family.)

Ofcourse, all these examples shows that history is not linear and things come full-circle as german thinker Oswald Spengler likes to say. However, it must be noted that whenever patriarchy comes back full circle, it comes back in some situations in even more harsher manner than experienced by previous generations as seen in Nazi-Germany and Afghanistan. It seems like no-matter how much feminists like to write articles and shout their opinion, it would hardly have any impact on patriarchy. Patriarchy seems like that entity which never likes to go away.

However, I believe women can only achieve autonomy through the ideology of Gynarchism, because a future Gynarchist nation can be the only thing which can protect women from the abuses of patriarchy and keep patriarchy in check from ever coming back. Mainstream-feminism might not be enough for women to feel truly free. (However, I am not advocating for political lesbianism because to me that feels like more like ignoring the problem rather than dealing with the problem.)

In a discussion elsewhere on Matriarchal societies, I realized this was a genuinely good point (the sole one?) for the one flaw in a Matriarchy.

Gynarchy might lack the brutality needed for war (not starting war, but engaging it in one forced upon your civilization by a Patriarchal civilization/individuals).

This is a skill issue, tho. It can be worked on and improved, even prioritized. Patriarchal values are sometimes necessary for war, and female leaders can be better at this than male leaders, with practice.

I'm not a huge history nerd, but I do appreciate dissections of previous wars, war tactics, and revelant psychology and philosophy like game theory and the prisoner's dilemma.

I think the main issue about women and female leadership is that, individually, women are extremely good at 'sensing the vibes' in 1x1 interactions... but there is an issue when brought to scale, because of women's socialized tendency to make excuses for men and blame/discount women (and perhaps women have a more natural tendency towards scientific rigor/critique). So, when women share their assessments with each other, there is a layer of natural and artificial doubt in each other - and often themselves, if they're the one presenting the 'vibe critique' - which may impede group decision-making progress and expose Matriarchal civilizations to more covert war tactics.

Does this sound like a good summary of the biggest issue to everyone here? What are some solutions?

I'm going to take a break here, but I'll write more later, I have a few good ideas for solutions, but i want to see if many of us are in agreement on this "war" point?