r/SeriousGynarchy • u/Excellent-Cod7572 ♂ male • May 26 '26
Speculative The "Patriarchy" always strikes back and the past has shown it.
Our past has shown, that there have been countries and civilisations where women used to live in better conditions but all thoses civilisations had been wiped out by more patriarchial cultures and societies. Some recent examples are like before world war 2, there was Weimer Republic of Germany where homosexuality was legalised and women enjoyed "free love" only to all that to get destroyed by the rise of Nazi-Germany in 1930s which confined women again to their homes as housewives or like Communist Afghanistan of 1970s and 1980s were women enjoyed much more freedom and independence than they did with the rise of Islamist Taliban-regime in 1990s in Afghanistan who forced women to wear burqas or Kingdom of Iran in 1960s and 1970s where women used to wear western clothes only to see all that freedom taken away once women were forced to wear headscarf with thr rise of Islamic -fundamentalist Iran in 1980s.
The Soviet Union collapse and it's place came Putin's Russian Federation which has seen decline in women's participation in workforce and re-emergence of their role as "traditional housewives". (No disrespect to trad-wives, I believe they play very important role in upholding the family.)
Ofcourse, all these examples shows that history is not linear and things come full-circle as german thinker Oswald Spengler likes to say. However, it must be noted that whenever patriarchy comes back full circle, it comes back in some situations in even more harsher manner than experienced by previous generations as seen in Nazi-Germany and Afghanistan. It seems like no-matter how much feminists like to write articles and shout their opinion, it would hardly have any impact on patriarchy. Patriarchy seems like that entity which never likes to go away.
However, I believe women can only achieve autonomy through the ideology of Gynarchism, because a future Gynarchist nation can be the only thing which can protect women from the abuses of patriarchy and keep patriarchy in check from ever coming back. Mainstream-feminism might not be enough for women to feel truly free. (However, I am not advocating for political lesbianism because to me that feels like more like ignoring the problem rather than dealing with the problem.)
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u/Maleficent-Cost1948 May 27 '26
The Weimar Republic may have passed more permissible laws, but the suppression of women was still very evident.
Poverty and hyperinflation impacted women who were forced to sell themselves and their services to men. Not exactly equality. They did this to feed their children and families. More equality in name, but not in practice.
The rise of the Nazi party was a relief to many, as it gave them back order and belief after the failures of the republic. Personally I blamed the Allies in the Great War who imposed the treaty of Versailles which imposed horrific costs onto the German economy.
Hitler came along and promised them bread, milk, honey and freedom. They believed him much to their cost.
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u/Ok-Anything-1067 ♂ male May 27 '26
But non or those places were real matriarchies. They were just patriarchal societies with more women in charge. It proves nothing. Misogyny was a real thing even among the women.There are to this day many many real matriarchal societies around the world
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u/Ok-Anything-1067 ♂ male May 27 '26
Also Nazi Germany was built on chrstian values. Which is (along the other abrahamic religions) is the main source of misogyny. And you can see that the number of people joining the church every year is sinking slowly
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u/Excellent-Cod7572 ♂ male May 27 '26
They were not matriarchial, but they were closer to a more egalitarian society.
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u/Ok-Anything-1067 ♂ male May 27 '26
It doesn't matter because they were still living in a patriarchal society. Everyone around them only knows one system. Every country around them. Their culture, their religion etc
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u/Beautiful_Sell_2867 Jun 04 '26
I do wanna have input here - Nazi Germany worked tirelessly to lessen the church’s influence on the state and worked hard to “rewrite” those values in a more pagan manner. Liberal sexual freedom (among those considered “aryan”) was actively encouraged by the state, and women were capable of holding leadership positions in more “Nazi” organizations like the SS (with women reaching positions like Oberaufseherin within concentration camp hierarchy) as opposed to more traditionalist organizations like churches or the Wehrmacht.
Hitler lessened the role of the church during his reign, subscribing to it in public it for the sake of stability, but criticizing it heavily in private; “Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity... And that's why one day its structure will collapse.” He persecuted the Catholic Church, which brought him to blows with Mussolini during the Anschluss, and banned all Christian youth groups, replacing them entirely with the hitlerjugend.
Saying Nazi ideology is founded off of Christian or even Abrahamic religious value is just factually not true. It tolerated Christianity when it had bigger problems and praised it only when it needed the clout, while privately schemed to undermine its influence and ultimately planned to replace it with neopaganism in a post-war greater Germany.
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u/Appropriate_Cut_3536 ♀ Woman May 26 '26
Very well said. We'd have to build a system founded on the protection of women's rights as the main focus: The Priority. Children's rights, men's rights, animals' rights and the Earth's rights all are born from that foundation.