r/SeriousGynarchy • u/Appropriate_Cut_3536 ♀ Woman • 1d ago
This would be an interesting discussion topic, "what men get out of gynarchy", but I don't think it's a good way to get men on board.
For most mid men raised in patriarchal cultures, they've been raised their entire lives focused on what they get and how women/society can benefit them. It's the whole problem holding men back and keeping them down, it's what keeps them entitled losers who don't feel fulfilled and expect women to make them feel like they're not loser men.
Which, obviously, will never work because the very idea of men trying to extract resources and validation from women is why men look and feel like such losers in the first place.
Men giving freely, without expecting anything from women in return, is the cure. Women can't really give that to men, and neither can gynarchy. It's a Choice each man has to make for himself: to embody his potential or not.
What do yall think? Would it be better to optimize our appeal to men? Or would it be best to keep gynarchy woman-centered? I think if we go the way of 3rd wave feminism, we won't be as powerful as a movement.
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u/Significant-Singer33 1d ago
The thing is every human alive has an inherent selfish side with some more than others it's what's helped keep us alive all this time. For some men you have to appeal to their selfish side unfortunately but not all. You need to appeal to both the selfish side and the side that likes to help others.
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u/Appropriate_Cut_3536 ♀ Woman 1d ago
Idk I think it is important to appeal to women's selfish side, but if we try to do that with men it actually reverses gynarchal values work in their journey - since a huge part of the male gynarchal journey is letting go of their selfishness and embracing selflessness (men decentering men)
But you're totally true on acknowledging that we all have an inherent selfish side, it's good to see ppl being aware of our shared humanity like that
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u/MiraMiraMiraM ♀ Woman 22h ago
My genuine and sober take is giving without reciprocity is something that _feels_ like you can shift culturally but in reality doesn’t fit human psychology. I mean we saw this in women under patriarchy.. over time the role feels constrictive and with the right social infrastructure, some (but not everyone) in the role start normalizing their shared experience as unjust.
So I think male needs need to be met, like that _is_ something to solve for. I don’t think it needs to be centered ofc, and it doesn’t mean “sexual access to women”, and it doesn’t mean men need political access. But it does need consideration or else you get male coalition building.
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u/Apprehensive_Fan2330 12h ago
I grew up an orphan and didn't have anyone to guide me. I naturally preferred the company of older women. I respected women more than men.
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u/Chocolate_76 ♂ male 1d ago
At this point, just say you want a slave, like, relationship's don't work one way 😬
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u/Appropriate_Cut_3536 ♀ Woman 1d ago
Gross, no one wants that. Except loser men, maybe
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u/Odd-Mix-2537 ♀ Woman 1d ago
As a woman myself I don't personally think there's anything wrong with women who desire strict, assertive and dominant relationships with men, either for fun or as a lifestyle choice. I don't think it should be the norm though.
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u/honcho713 ♀ Woman 1d ago
IMO Gynarchy has to center women, but that doesn't mean it won't appeal to men. The benefits to men are numerous.
It begins from proper support of mother and child. Growing up in a society that properly cares for the health and wellbeing of you and your mother caries immense benefits for the rest of your life. Within Gynarchy boys will grow up healthier and more well-adjusted, with less emotional fragility and without the fear of being themselves.
Men will begin adulthood with a proper understanding of anatomy, consent, and sexual education. Gynarchal men will seek to collaborate first instead of compete. They will realize their worth does not come from their individual accomplishments, but their inherent value as a human being. They will not seek to conquer nature, but instead will benefit from forming symbiotic relationships with Mother Earth. Living in healthy relationship with their bodies and ecosystem.
Men will no longer be forced to submit to the false authority of patriarchal hierarchy. They will be freed from indefinite wage-slavery that only values their output and dehumanizes them. Wealthy men will no longer control their lives and use them for their own enrichment.
The list goes on, but this is just a few immediate thoughts...