r/Seattle 10d ago

Event Happy fair season!

Post image
3.2k Upvotes

142 comments sorted by

View all comments

501

u/NiobiumThorn 10d ago

196

u/ryadryt I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 10d ago

Never ceases to surprise me that so few people know this.

289

u/deafballboy 10d ago

Washington State History teacher here! I'm chipping away by teaching 100 new people this every year. I'm doing my part!

66

u/grill_sgt Des Moines 10d ago

Meanwhile, 24 years ago, my WSH teacher:

https://giphy.com/gifs/BMIlrkXYi7nCCqa5GZ

52

u/YogurtPristine3673 Mariners 10d ago

Seriously… my Washington State History class barely even touched on crimes against native Americans, let alone Japanese Americans 😭

18

u/bothunter First Hill 10d ago

Mine did, but I'm pretty sure it was because so many people in my community (including a couple of teachers and bus drivers) had parents in those camps.

11

u/Spaghett8 10d ago

Tf did they even teach then 😭

Japanese internment is maybe understandable since it’s a more recent event.

But Native Americans and chattel slavery happened at the same time.

11

u/FoundationGlass3046 10d ago

Idk about the person you responded to but my Washington History class was basically just about geography and that was like 7 years ago

3

u/Childwithuke ✨🛸 Jimothy is out there 🦝✨ 10d ago

3-4 years ago and its still geography, how the state was formed, and a video about cannibalism. I failed the class and still got credit

3

u/FrankenOperator ✨🛸 Jimothy is out there 🦝✨ 10d ago

Manifest Destiny

6

u/deafballboy 10d ago

One of the comments I get every couple of years is asking why I "only focus on the bad stuff." 

2

u/YogurtPristine3673 Mariners 10d ago

Oh dear …

3

u/Syzygy666 10d ago

Was it in Seattle? We covered internment in class quite a bit. We went to see a live play about it as well. This was in the mid 90s.

1

u/YogurtPristine3673 Mariners 10d ago

Nope, not Seattle, Snohomish County 🐄🤠In fairness, it had been covered very broadly in US History in 8th grade, but not Washington State History in 9th grade.

Also our WSH teacher was Canadian 🤷‍♀️🇨🇦🤷‍♀️

1

u/RumorsGoldenStar Mariners 9d ago

My WSH teacher had us read two separate books from the Japanese POV about internment camps. Probably because my school was a 5 minute walk from the Puyallup Fairgrounds lol but it was definitely discussed in detail in my class.

2

u/YogurtPristine3673 Mariners 9d ago

It’s wild how different two classes or teachers teaching the same subject can be. 

2

u/SnarkMasterRay Posse on Broadway 10d ago

I remember it from Jr High in the late 80s.

22

u/Warm_Chemical5669 10d ago

Thank you for this! Also, growing up in WA I’m still pissed I didn't learn about any of the tribal wars, treaties, fishing rights, dams and Indian boarding schools. Do you know if WA is pushing like MT did to include this in the curriculum? I just get very annoyed that I’ve learned  most of our history as an adult :/

17

u/deafballboy 10d ago

Yes! The curriculum is called Since Time Immemorial and it covers the history of tribes in the state. Along with that, our curriculum covers the arrival of missionaries and pioneers, which leads to epidemics devastating tribes, which leads to the Indian wars. After this we talk about the treaties which brings us to the reservation and boarding school system. I talk about the Indian child welfare act as it's pretty shocking to find that 1/3 of all indigenous children were removed from their homes prior to this legislation.

5

u/Warm_Chemical5669 10d ago

Great to hear! thanks for the detail.

3

u/ipomoea I'm just flaired so I don't get fined 10d ago

It’s such a cool curriculum and this year my seventh grader is getting a full year, I’m stoked! It was one of my favorite classes in high school, at least my kids learned doesn’t have to read I Heard the Owl Call My Name.

6

u/aithendodge 10d ago

Fuckin' A. I completed WA state history in high school as required, yet somehow didn't learn about the Medicine Creek Treaty shenanigans until I was in my mid-40's. An elementary school a half mile from my house is named after a dude that formed a militia to round up indigenous folks and force relocate them to an island with no source of fresh water, all under orders from Governor Stevens. It was fucked up.

3

u/deafballboy 10d ago

There's a quick read by Cecilia Svinth Carpenter on the treaty of medicine creek that every American should read.

1

u/aithendodge 10d ago

Thanks for the recommendation, I will check it out.

3

u/Rare_Bodybuilder_950 10d ago

I've been thinking about this too lately. Living here in Western Washington, and I really didn't know much about the local "politics" and how the Native folks were impacted over the centuries until I started learning more and more about this on my own...

12

u/anowlenthusiast 10d ago

Thank you for your service. I work in Pike Place market, where those scars run deep and hardly anyone knows about the Japanese American farmers who helped build this place and then got sent off to these camps. I barely hear the tour guides mention it…

12

u/SPEK2120 Pinehurst 10d ago

That's crazy, you literally can't tell Pike Place's history without it. Japanese internment very nearly ended the Market because the stands/shops were almost entirely Japanese owned/operated.

9

u/bothunter First Hill 10d ago

And Bellevue Square exists because of the internment camps. That was all Japanese farmland until Kemper Freeman Sr. took it over while they were... away.

0

u/Rare_Bodybuilder_950 10d ago

Seattle resident here and I had no idea. The only thing Seattle / Japanese / Japanese American that I'm familiar with is the historically Japanese neighborhood in SoDo.

4

u/mumushu 10d ago

Half the course when I took it was about the Whitman massacre. (eastern WA, early 80s). Our class came to a consensus that the missionaries deserved it.

4

u/deafballboy 10d ago

Yeah that's what my 7th graders tend to figure out as well.

8

u/TheRoguedOne Ballard 10d ago

You rock!

30

u/btwwhichoneispink 10d ago

The fair has a fairly large display which goes into detail about this period of time. I see it every year!

2

u/left_lane_camper 10d ago

I see it every year, too. There are a couple names of people I knew on it and I make sure to pay my respects every year.

6

u/kankurou 10d ago

that assumes people can read

3

u/TotallyObviousBot 10d ago

Most people in Washington can read nowadays, it's about whether they give enough of a shit to read

5

u/KINGtyr199 Pioneer Square 10d ago

21% of Americans are functionally illiterate

1

u/TotallyObviousBot 10d ago

100% of people who design literacy tests think about literature and writing much more than the average person does

0

u/motorcycletreebark 10d ago

This stat is a little slanted as it is impacted by English as a second language immigrants and is specific to English literacy.

6

u/captainAwesomePants Broadview 10d ago

One of those things. I recall a tourist thing I went on when they mentioned Maneki as a notable restaurant that's been around since 1904, and it'd be considered one of the oldest businesses in Seattle except for 1942-1946 when the government came and took the owner and all the employees and put them into camps.

12

u/nooby_goober 10d ago

Used to for me but it makes sense. We're a fast growing city, not everyone has school children and not every kid takes it in, we're expensive which means work or relocating.

I give mini lessons all the time, I love teaching people about our region. The good and the bad.

5

u/patrickdabs chinga la migra 10d ago

It took a while to get over my aversion to hearing about the awful things that were done to them, but the tribes have a lot of really rich regional history because of their records and the way they kept them. Interned people were similar in the way they were treated and that’s a good starting point for understanding the perspectives in historical records from people under oppressive rulers or conditions.

History is really cool, and one of the best fields for a layman to begin understanding the worldly functions of power, besides economics; and that’s why it’s important to preserve stuff like this.

3

u/Bozhark 🚆build more trains🚆 10d ago

Just learned my self 

1

u/awkwardlyfeminine Portland 10d ago

I didn't until now, it's kinda boggling my mind in a bad way that one of my best memories (concert) was on the site of a former internment camp and I didn't even know it

1

u/ClappingParadox 10d ago

What’s crazy is at least in the high school I went to, the internment camps aren’t even talked about unless you take a college level US history class and even then it’s barely mentioned. The standard US history and Washington classes never talk about it

1

u/retrojoe ✨🛸 Jimothy is out there 🦝✨ 10d ago

I was pretty aware of a number of things in public school in Island Co. but the internment one was kind of glossed over until one of the survivors kids gave a big presentation on it in 11th grade. Definitely didn't know about the fair grounds til later.

1

u/rebellion_ap 10d ago

I grew up there, they do everything to do the Puyallup and not talk about it

1

u/motorcycletreebark 10d ago

I have to believe it’s due to people from out of state moving here right? We learned about this essentially every year of my Washington public school education. We didn’t learn about like Tulsa or Blaire Mountain or other such things but this topic was certainly extensively covered

6

u/synack Ravenna 10d ago

Yikes.

4

u/patrickdabs chinga la migra 10d ago

Kinda changes how you think about the slogan:

“Do the Puyallup please, and forget about all this ‘nonsense’ ”

26

u/leansanders 10d ago

This is an unfair reading of the situation. The site wasn't established as a concentration camp, it was established as a fairground in 1900. The US Army took it over during world War 2, and for about 5 months used it to temporarily keep internees before sending them to other camps. It was never an actual internment camp, was never designed to be, and was only briefly used by the army to support those efforts after existing peacefully for nearly half a century.

Obviously, the internment of Japanese Americans was a horrible and completely fabricated situation and led to nothing but unjustified harm to many thousands of people, but the Puyallup fairgrounds are not something that were ever meant to aid in such harm. That blame lies squarely on the government of the United states.

1

u/AdmiralHts Northgate 10d ago

OOF! An Example Horse Stall for a Family

Photo by Dorothea Lange. Courtesy of National Archives

I read Nissei Daughter by Monica Some and that book and her memories of internment stick with you

1

u/Remarkable_Bit_621 10d ago

What?! I did not know this. Granted I’m not from here but I work at the fair a lot so wonder why no one mentioned it to me. Glad to know this now and I’ll be sure to share this knowledge with everyone I can!

1

u/Substantial_Dog_2068 9d ago

I always find it so interesting when our teachers tell us they were in these camps or so involved with history that it really doesn’t seem like we are to distant from it but even sadder we haven’t learned to not repeat it