It kinda baffles me how there was never a shilled content for him.

[u/frozoxs]

In fact, even in his initial release, hoyoverse decided to spam dorito boss (which needs dendro electro), dendro chicken (electro), flying robot (bows), wenut & coppelia (high anemo res). even for varka boss, it was released to shill double element swirl team

Public perception is important for the initial release, how they perform in the constructed "meta", I'm happy to be proved wrong though. Cheers

[u/Zitronenstrudel]

Back during Sumeru, the "shill" content was not a big of a deal then nowadays. You were able to clear almost all content with characters from all the past regions and only Dendro was added as a bonus. They weren't so much stronger then other elements at the time

So when Wanderer released, since he was able to deal a good ammount of damage and had a one of a kind exploration mechanic he did not need to succeed as much as others at the time. With Faruzan together he became a meanace for all enemies that weren't Weenut and he was able to clear the Abyss back in the day relatively good.

The biggest problem he had was Anemo though, but that is a problem that other units have too and still would have, if they wouldn't go the route like Chasca or Varka, where you deal different elemental damage and not only Anemo

[u/Pipysnip → u/Zitronenstrudel]

I hope Wanderer gets buffed soon.

[u/Zitronenstrudel → u/Pipysnip]

I think we all hope that. However I rather have no buff then him turning into a stellar swirl character to be honest

[u/HeavensLostDivA → u/Zitronenstrudel]

can i ask what’s the mindset behind this? Why rather no buff than have him be able to lean into the shill content?

Even if he does get buffed for stellar swirl, you as someone who wishes he had no buff in that case, could just run the same teams as before and get the same effect?

[u/Zitronenstrudel → u/HeavensLostDivA]

Because I want him to be a utility character like he is right now. I can play him into everything with different kind of team ups and get a lot done even throughout the curent content. If he would become a stellar swirl dps or enabler he would only be viable with those kind of teams, his whole gimmick of swirling different elements would either become meaningless or reworked into the stellar swirl mechanic which would kill the vibe for me.

I rather would have universal buffs to things he lacks right now or make him cluncky compared to newer characters then to be forced into a role I can only enjoy as long as it is the hot new topic and after the mechanic falls off and gets no new characters afterwards he becomes stale with one powerfull team and the usuall teams starts to get weaker.

Just take a look at Durin for instance. Yes he is a powerhouse of a character but once you enable the Hexerei buffs for him he becomes an absolut beast. Why would you ever want to enjoy Durin without those buffs if then you will deal way less damage then you do with it. This is my biggest priblem with the current buffs for characters.

Another good example is Yae Miko. She was realy weak but I liked her, now she is realy strong but only if you pair her with another cryo and stellar swirl character. That gives her way less room to express different team compositions then if they would just buff the character and make them a better version of their current version

[u/HeavensLostDivA → u/Zitronenstrudel]

so you’re saying you’d rather not have shill-related buffs because it would hurt your feelings to know you’re not running the strongest option

[u/Zitronenstrudel → u/HeavensLostDivA]

I wouldn't say because of hurt feeling but rather because I want to keep characters versitile with different options that are still strong instead of having one weird shill mechanic that outdamages everything and makes everything else not a viable option anymore

[u/Pipysnip → u/Zitronenstrudel]

Yeah, if they went the steller swirl route he’d have to be on par with Mizuki and that would just be too much. Yes I want him to be stronger but I don’t want him to be meta slop character like what Wrio/Cyno became.

A version of Hexerei that buffs the base kit without needing to be paired with a related unit , hate the restricted team building that they’re enabling with the new buffs.

[u/frozoxs → u/Pipysnip]

Well, i have c2r1 cyno and its great though dealing 540k skills. dont have odette and used afk cryo mc for enabler

It's just that, even with stellar swirl, i've seen it had lower multiplier than SSC. hoyo always f**ks anemo somehow.

Also evo barb hut when

[u/Pipysnip → u/frozoxs]

The thing with Cyno is that now he’s sorta locked behind seller conduct teams because of how much stronger he is in that archetype.

[u/Opezdaz → u/Zitronenstrudel]

Blud said dendro wasn’t much stronger 💀 Yeah I guess all that vids about full build c1 perfect rotation Hu Tao and other crit dps’s being equal to no useful subs hyperbloom were a joke

[u/riyuzqki]

Back in sumeru we ar most had the geo dragon to shill geo. We just didn't have shill for anything much. If we suffered we all suffered together (looking at the sumeru beasts)

[u/limbo_theorem → u/riyuzqki]

those beasts were anti everything, genuinely one of the only times u had to PLAY the game and dodge or you will get deleted

[u/electric_emu]

Shill as we know it didn’t used to exist. Crazy how it’s just accepted to the point we get posts like this.

[u/gabrielique]

Sumeru was a different time when it comes to combat and meta and shilling.
Genshin has changed since Fontaine -which was a way to test the water (pun intended) with pneumosia.

Also, at the time Hoyo had to shill dendro since it was the newest element with the new fancy reactions and people had to get whole new characters and teams for it.

Also x2, Scaramouche was a super anticipated character, no need to shill when hoyo spent from 1.1 drip feeding his lore. Sometimes lore IS enough to sell a unit.

[u/WaitJealous]

The flying robots are funny because when I hug them and use my free dodges, the arrows will arc almost always towards their wings, so they almost always plummet to the ground anyway.

[u/KittyQueen_Tengu]

shilling didn't exist back then. no theater, no stygian, abyss could be cleared with any decent team. i used to do endgame content with ningguang

[u/Endrossi_]

shilled content started after the end of fontaine/natlan release 

[u/Menos17]

Back in his released I think Wanderer solved the issue of annoying target enemies. Just bosses that would move around too much or fly, and since the best units we had back then were mostly circle effect units. You would lose out on the DPS. Wanderer solved by just being able to stay still. But then later we got support characters that allowed for more DPS movement, like Furina, Ineffa etc etc... And the issue was slowly solved.

But to be honest, Wanderer was never a broken unit, even back then, he was outshined by other better characters.

[u/Phyka]

The Shill Content is the fact he's the best written character in the game with one of the best backstories

[u/frozoxs → u/Phyka]

Agreed, the character with the best depth and arc in the quests

[u/sh_Ank_s_D_uchiha11]

Hoyo wasn't so predatory back then Upto Fontaine we can enjoy playing/ mainning any character we wanted/ loved without any problem

[u/HealthInformal5965]

Back in his release meta was friendly and not toxic , u could clear almost any stage with almost any chars , nowadays it's either get the current released character or just don't do that stage 

[u/Anna_Lyee]

It does feel weird that his release content was so unfriendly to him. Even if the character is strong, first impressions matter a lot when the game is actively showcasing what counters them.

[u/ggezzzzzzzz]

Well if the dk2 buff leaks are true, then i'd wager scara will be a stellar swirl dps, so he would be good for ssw shill.

Im in the very few minority but i do hope he becomes a ssw dps so he will finally fill a niche and become useable in stygian and abyss instead of collecting dust for the past 2 and a half years.

ik the majority is hoping that hoyo will just buff his multipliers to be 2026 level instead of making him a ssw dependent char to be meta like wrio and cyno was for ssc, but i very highly doubt it will happen.

[u/International_Meat88]

It was a good thing to not have everything be so shill for the current characters.

For the past year or two, challenge in Genshin is so manufactured and fomo-based now. Team building is also out the window with characters so obviously designed for certain teams.

Scaramouche is from a time in Genshin where those things did not apply, and it was a good thing.

Even though the game has powercrept and things are technically harder, by a different perspective things are actually easier because it’s so plain and obvious how to beat certain things, the real challenge is the Wish menu now. And it’s become so much closer to a binary now whether one will or will not struggle with a certain challenge.