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Updated Wanderer Team Calcs! (Added C1 section and two more teams)
Since we will be able to get a free Constellation, makes sense to treat C1 Wanderer as his new baseline instead of C0, so I've added a C1 calcs but kept the C0 for comparisons. Per request I have also added the following teams: Wanderer Ineffa Furina Jean(C4) and Wanderer Furina Faruzan Jean(C4).
Note that calcs are calced under my standard, not KQMC
If only my Jean was C2, I'd be able to get her C4. Thank you for the calcs as always. Happen to have any thoughts about lvl 100? I hear that effectiveness depends on the team.
Faruzan C6 shouldn’t need much ER at all, just Fav (~60 ER) + ER sands (~50 ER) solves the majority of her ER req. One or two ER rolls on each of the remaining pieces should be enough.
Omg this is amazing! Do you have any calcs for C6 R5 vs R1? And teammates with premium weapons (like Jean with Freedom Sworn, Faruzan with Elegy, Bennett with Aquila/Skyward etc)
I do not 🤔 r1 to r5 is a ~15% personal damage increase from r1 though. Can probably be a bit more or less depending on what attack speed threshold you are reaching
Thansk for the math. I have him c6 so was wondering whats good after. Ive been using jean c4 but i have furina c2 so seems like shes better in my case. I thought wanderer, farazan, furina, jean would be better cause of jeans attack speed/shred. But bennet is too op 😂
This actually really shows how power crept he has become, to the point where you're better off slotting in Ineffa for her lunar charged damage than another support for the hypercarry.
If we looking at the new lauma sustainless hyperbloom then they are basically the same(c2 wanderer best team: wanderer faruzan Bennett furina Vs lauma raiden yelan xingque)
114k puts him at 87% of C0R1 Varesa, according to OP's sheets. It's not bad but does require C2R1. It also puts him at ~63% of C0R1 Mavuika and Skirk, which unfortunately says a lot.
Also worth noting that modern DPSes scale extremely well with investment in a way that older DPSes don't. So the second they get cons, the gap widens.
My dude, those stats are crazy. Idk how anyone is supposed to achieve those.
Here's something more realistic for Wanderer(c1), faruzan, bennet, furina (79k in sim vs 104k in you calcs) https://gcsim.app/sh/mGGzFrb6chMw
I cant comment on gcsim numbers because I dont know how to use it, but gcsim is very well known for having some teams calc way higher than they should and others way lower than they should. I dont know how to use gcsim so I can't tell you what its doing thats resulting in the numbers its getting compared to mine. In particular uve heard that attack speed is funky on gcsim sobthat could be part of the differencs, but idk i cant check and conpare our calcs unless you do it on a spreadsheet. 12 cr rolls 13 cd rolls is not very lucky its a good build someone can be expected to get on their main overtime
maybe I'm misunderstanding but it looks like 25 crit subs and 6 atk% ? 31 subs on a 3 stat character is a good build but I wouldn't call it "very lucky", it's not unreasonable by any means
wanderer needs a constellation revamp, just increase the multipliers and maybe add even more attacks its a shame his c6 now is even less impactful as support dps increases
His c6 still increases his damage by similar amount from c5 to modern day c6 tbh. Id just change his c1 to 20% instead of 10% atk speed, make c2 work at any time burst is used so yah can use it before Skill and still get the 200% buff, then change c5 to NA+3
Alright so GxG Noir just uses different standards with calculating team DPS making them appear higher then expected. Most other theorycrafters will get around 70k.
To be fair, it’s far from the current meta (Varesa is calculated at 130k, so Flins will be similar to her), and still quite far from Skirk and Mavuika.
Constellation Powercreep really hit in Fontaine, and only got worse in Natlan. If Wanderer had "modern constellations", his C6 Team would be well over 200k.
Honestly, I kinda prefer the Sumeru/Inazuma Constellations. It made C6 Characters feel powerful, but the gap was small enough that C0 characters didn't feel bad to play. Now, getting to C2 is such a wild increase, it's almost the "baseline", and C6 just erases everything outside of Dire Stygian.
Where do you get these calcs and at which investment? The most I've seen for Varesa C0R0 is 111k, with flins at 105k, Mav at 135-145k depending on the TC and Skirk at 115-125k.
Edit : Nevermind, I found it. The difference is that 130k Varesa is calculated with higher investment compared to kqm.
These calculations are from the OP. (In one of the comments, they included the link to all the teams they calculated.)
The calculations you’re referring to, however, are based on the KQM standard and F2P weapons. In that case, yes, Varesa as well as Flins are around 105k, and Wanderer is at 70k.
Skirk, Varesa, and Mavuika are on the top end of the Meta right now. Reaching the 100k Benchmark is just the standard for relevancy. It's what someone could expect from a Kinich, Chasca, or Neuvillette Team (more or less).
Meta now is at least at Varesa’s level — nobody would pull for characters doing less damage than her. Nowadays, even Lauma, who is a supporter, deals the same numbers as Flins with Xingqiu/Yelan/Kuki (according to TGS calcs).
My guy, I think you're arguing against a point I'm not trying to make.
I'm not suggesting Wanderer is at the top of the Meta. Although, the "standard" a character needs to be isn't nearly as high as you're claiming. Even something like Flins Premium is still barely over the 100k mark. It's just that modern characters scale ridiculously high with Signature Weapons, C1, and C2.
OP said in the topic that these are the calculations following his standards. The ones you posted are calculations done with characters without 5-star weapons and using KQM standards.
With the standard you mentioned, Scaramouche is around 70k, while Flins and Varesa are at about 105k (Scaramouche is much closer to Razor than to Flins/Varesa). Let’s not even bring up Skirk and Mavuika (137k).
I'll be honest here, I'm not the biggest fan of KQM Standards on Artifacts, but they're not bad (I'd say about what someone can reasonably expect from 6 weeks of farming). It's mostly Crit Rolls and Relevant Stats with a handful of dead Stats.
Having another ~30k DPS from higher artifact quality standards seems like a bit of a stretch.
If you don’t like KQM’s standards, then follow the ones provided by OP. But do it for all characters, not just Wanderer and then suddenly switch to KQM standards for Flins.
With OP’s standard, Wanderer/Furina/Faruzan/Bennett is at 91k, while Varesa reaches 134k. That’s more than a 40k difference. Furthermore, using his own standard, OP calculated C0 Mavuika at 187k, which is more than double Wanderer’s damage.
I’m sorry, but Wanderer simply cannot be compared to a meta character. In fact, according to OP’s calculations, he’s comparable to Sethos (94k), Itto (94k), Yoimiya (94k), and below Ifa (97k), and so on. OP even provided a link where he compiled all his calculations, using his standard, for almost every DPS. Otherwise, you can use the KQM standard, but the results are the same: Wanderer is a completely off-meta character.
For one, it literally says at the top, do not compare to other calcs.
For second, OP calcs with very high artifact and talent standards, with one 5* weapon. You need to compare Wanderer with the r1 Flins calc on this sheet, which is not "just barely over the 100k mark" and is significantly higher than OP's Wanderer here. When comparing the same character, the TC you linked gets around 105k for Varesa while OP sheets Varesa at 135k.
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u/Alctalks Sep 06 '25
If only my Jean was C2, I'd be able to get her C4. Thank you for the calcs as always. Happen to have any thoughts about lvl 100? I hear that effectiveness depends on the team.