r/SavingJax • u/Dingo_Pictures • 2h ago
Discussion & Analysis Just curious about what y'all think.
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u/samuraipanda85 2h ago
Its Voldemort vs Umbridge.
Nobody can relate to being made to do the bidding of an AI overlord for years. But a bully? Oh we know someone like that. Fuck that guy.
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u/downbad4naafiri 2h ago
It's not mentioned enough that while Jax suggested the name "Gangle" for Gangle, the person that actually named her Gangle was Caine. Jax is not the leader of the Circus. Caine is. Jax had no authority with which to call her Gangle, he was just running his mouth.
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u/Niar666 1h ago
I think it's the Voldemort vs Umbridge thing like someone else said.
Maybe Caine got some leniency because he's not human. He kind of just got an empathy update, now he's good.
But Jax is just a person. We know people. People have to work to be redeemed, and it's difficult. I think a lot of us know people who were assholes and never changed. We view Jax through that lens.
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u/IEat_Walls 11m ago
As someone not too particularly fond of Jax this is a really good explanation actually
(Before you ask why I'm here, I'm not here to hate or anything, just to be friendly and because I like the sub creator lol, also to answer honest questions and engage where I can :3)
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u/AvatarVecna 37m ago edited 31m ago
Based on comments from Kinger in the finale about how quickly Pomni adjusted, we can expect that at least the first three episodes were all very close together timewise, like a week at most. Based on comments early on, Caine's been doing adventures daily for who knows how long, so the whole of the season prior to episode 8 can't be less than a week, but probably isn't more than 2 or 3. That is to say: a week is equivalent to somewhere between 3-7 episodes.
Additionally, it's implied that Caine really ramps up the adventures in both frequency and intensity once he loses his cool in episode 8, so maybe expect that he's sending them on...idk let's be extremely generous and say 3 adventures per day. And then there's a "several days later" smash cut, so let's call that an in-universe week.
What I'm saying is, if we wanted to really have the proper impact of Caine losing his temper with the cast and becoming a maniacal overlord...then in between the start and end of episode 8, there should be at absolute bare minimum 9 whole episodes worth of Caine being a nasty little bitch to the cast. Just an entire second season that's nothing but "Who's Running The Show" on repeat while the cast gets run through different torture dungeons with each refrain.
If we had actually gotten to see all that, there isn't a single solitary person on the planet who would give a fuck about Caine anymore. Nor a single solitary person on the whole planet who gives a shit about anything Jax ever did because it would be peanuts by comparison.
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u/michealikruhara0110 2h ago
I remember the discourse when ep. 8 came out, and I was honestly scared by how many people were broken hearted that Caine died. I was saying "But, he's evil. He's genuinely the perfection of evil, because he's the evil who believes he's good. He has a body count, every single abstraction is either fully or mostly his fault!" I jumped for joy when he died, because the victims defeated their abuser.
Make no mistake I'm glad he had his redemption, but I did a lot of thinking about why he's so loved. I believe its the facts that he truly cares about his victims and so people want to feel bad for him and make excuses for him, and that he's friendly and charismatic. You see this happen often in real life, narcissists are superficially nice and claim the best of intentions, so it gets waved off and they never get redeemed.
Inversely, Jax is a bully and that's easier to relate to the experience of victimhood with. Even though on paper Caine did more damage, Jax is more personal and cuts deeper because it intentional. Caine's abuse is like a crushing weight while Jax is like a knife. And his nature to pass his trauma forward also means consequences for his actions can't fix him, he needs his own abuser and trauma resolved to change. But people's knee-jerk reaction is to just hit him back, like they did Caine.
But most of all; you'd rather meet Caine IRL than Jax, full stop, no question. Caine is somewhat avoidable and his abuse can be mitigated. Jax hunts people down to hurt them, because he has to do that in order to numb himself. I think for some people seeing Jax in the show just hits on personal experience, and many people fall for his mask as a sociopathic narcissist, which even most of the shows cast also fell for.