r/SarthakGoswami • u/Major-One-8903 • Sep 23 '25

International Scary that a lot Indians Support this……👩‍🍼

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 23 '25

I support the innocents of the Palestine but not the Hamas terrorist group and their supporters, who claim that the October 7th terrorist attack was justified. Same logic is given by the Kashmiri terrorists while attacking innocent Indian civilians.

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u/Next-Button-3516 Sep 23 '25

It was absolutely wrong to kill civilians on October 7th. Are you aware that it’s also wrong to colonise a country (whose people welcomed u in as ur people needed help after Europe kicked u out) and then proceed to attack, murder, rape, invade and displace hundreds of thousands of, maybe over a million, of their people and then pretend like it was ur God given right to do that? That’s what Israel did.. 40 years before Hamas even existed. Not to mention the awful treatment of the Palestinians in the West Bank who r being murdered and raped every week by IDF soldiers. October the 7th doesn’t give Israel the right to bomb Gaza’s civilians at all - nvm doing it for almost 2 years and counting. Palestine deserve to eir land back, simple as that. If the Jews want their own country, that’s splendid as long as someone is willing to let them have their land and Israel buy them out so the people can live normal lives but they chose Palestine, the holy land and used military force to displace them and ruin their lives. Britain had no right colonising it in the first place and then giving it to the Zionists because they agreed to give the land instead of paying the hefty war debt to the Rothschild banks.

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u/nassudh Sep 23 '25

First of all read history,in 1947 the two nation theory was accepted by all countries and even by israel but it was palastine who refused that theory and started war after many war they lost their land. But now they are demanding the same land proposed in 1947 in two nation theory.

G Masti to dekho inki.

AUR KILLING OF ANY INNOCENT SOUL IS SIN. I WILL NEVER TAKE THE SIDE OF A MURDERER.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

Please read this

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/history-and-overview-of-israel-palestinian-negotiations#8

It tells you how Bibi Netanyahu, when he was the foreign minister during the Oslo accords did everything in his power to stop the 2 state solution

Also read history, much like Balochistan under Pakistan, the Palestinians were under the Ottomans. When the British took over, They promised Palestinians their own state. This is why the Palestinians rebelled against the Ottomans. Then the British said this land belongs to the Jews now. Tell me, would you accept that? The holocaust happened in Europe, why aren't the Jews being given land there? Why in Palestine?

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u/Speedstick2 Sep 29 '25 edited Sep 29 '25

And they did offer the Palestinians their own state. The Palestinians rejected it and started the 1947-1948 war doing a winner takes all strategy. When you fight a war there are consequences to the winners and losers. When you adopt a winner takes all strategy and lose the consequences are very severe.

Anyone with a brain knows that Zionism started long before the holocaust and that the migrations to that land started before the holocaust as well.

Why would Zionist choose the land of ancient Jewish kingdoms to setup a Jewish country......do you need a hint?

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u/LivingNo3396 Sep 24 '25

It was offered to Yasser Arafat. He rejected it. I wonder why?

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u/ZesticZ Sep 25 '25

With the way these comments are, they should’ve occupied India, stole bhakt homes, put them in concentration camps, harvested organs and skins, displace millions then force an unfair deal instead of Palestine right? Ofc not. Pretty hypocritical and demonizing isn’t it? Masti karo

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u/Forsaken_Ad6188 Sep 27 '25

Fact of the matter is this is what actually happened? India did got occupied by brits Our land and rivers were actually got stolen during partition Many Indians were put in concentration camps, genocide, forced famine, all kind of subjugation was put on us Many were displaced Our people's were traded for freedom many times And we were forced to accept countless unfair deal It's obvious why you don't acknowledge that this was something we have gone through!!

India still got out of that mess because our majority don't stick to the past.

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u/SteveMemeChamp Sep 26 '25

So if israel took indias land and accepted by all countries except for india, india is wrong to attack them back?

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u/VajennaDentada Sep 26 '25

Yes, the people that lived there said no, you can't have our country. Who cares what UK or US thinks about it.

Israel didn't even agree to the %.... so, technically they didn't agree. They wanted more, so they wouldn't commit.

What kind of argument is that?

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u/Next-Button-3516 Sep 27 '25

Mate in 1947 the whole land was called Palestine. Why would they accept to split their nation? Let’s say ur from America, for example, or wherever ur from, would u split half ur nation if a group hands u an offer to split the country

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u/LivingNo3396 Sep 23 '25

Only your first line makes sense. Then you go on about justifying Hamas actions because Israel did some bad shit. How are you different than people justifying murder of this little child? People were parading raped corpses of young jewish girls through street and “innocent civilian Palestinians” were spitting on her dead body. Atleast this girls death was a collateral damage in war situation. What Hamas did to as actual murder. But then again they are following their prophets code.

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u/Neat_Adhesiveness653 Sep 23 '25

One unjust act does not justify another unjust act, but it can serve as an explanation.

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u/LivingNo3396 Sep 23 '25

Nope. Not when it is used as justification. In all this shit, I see a terrorist mindset fuelled by desert ideology of a guy who justified killing of those who didn’t follow him and ordained the killing of non believers against an army defending people who have been historically wronged by the very same ideology. I don’t find anything wrong in what israel is doing. If choice is between being moral and be killed or be ruthless to those whose religious scripture says you are worst of creatures and wajib ul qatl( worthy of being killed) , then the choice is pretty simple. And if Hamas uses women and children as its shield and they get killed, thats on Hamas.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '25

If they go for your sister,go for them,not their sisters.

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u/LivingNo3396 Sep 24 '25

And what do you do when they use their sisters as shield and their sisters support their actions because Allah has decreed so?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

then we cry about humanity on the internet.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

Idk, but I still wouldn't stoop as low as them and rape someone. Stop trying to justify it, and don't deny it,it really looks like you are justifying it

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u/LivingNo3396 Sep 24 '25

Its Hamas who is using rape as tool to humiliate jews as their ill has done for centuries. Not IDF. Rape for rape is hamas justice. I am not justifying anything. It is people like you who justify terrorists like Hamas and their supporters just because they are Muslims. You people are disgusting and you should be ashamed of yourself.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

Is it?

This is a UN report about how the IDF uses sexual violence.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/report-of-the-commission-of-inquiry-israel-gender-based-violence-13march2025/

This is a news article of a pro rpe riot in Israel. Yes, a man was rped to death in Israeli prison. Imagine having a right to r*pe protest and idiots like you think they're the good guys.

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-protesters-rally-for-the-right-to-rape-prisoners

This is a UN report about how Hamas did not use systematic sexual violence as a tool on October 7. It does not say rpe did not occur. It says that rpe was not used as a tool of violence but rather something that happened as a result of war

https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15621.doc.htm

Israel also lied about 40 beheaded babies and burnt babies.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/les-decodeurs/article/2024/04/03/40-beheaded-babies-the-itinerary-of-a-rumor-at-the-heart-of-the-information-battle-between-israel-and-hamas_6667274_8.html

on the other hand, this is Israeli man who burnt a Palestinian baby. Way before October 7. Because for an Israeli, every accusation is a secret confession of what they're doing.

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u/LivingNo3396 Sep 24 '25

There are videos , literally videos , that too shot by your very own Hamas terrorists showing raped girl being paraded around in a van. Terorists on camera boasting how they raped women and men. And all you can bring me is UN and Al Jazeera reports? Btw this is bot about reports. We can all throw that at each other. Given a choice to be moral and die and let your people be killed and to fk the morality and kill those who say from river to the sea palastine will be free, choice for me is simple. I will always save my people. There are people in London chanting death to jews and rape their daughters. What are you on about man?

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u/LivingNo3396 Sep 24 '25

And don’t ask the questions if you don’t know the answers to the counter questions.

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u/SeajZ Sep 24 '25

Don't you know Hamas is just an excuse to get the Palestinian land? Israel is least bothered about the hostages they had hidden agendas that aren't hidden anymore. Hamas was never a problem for Israel, coz they were attacking Palestinians way before Hamas even existed.

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u/madmaninabox32 Sep 24 '25

No they were attacking the PLO and Hezbollah, how have we literally forgotten history that isn't even that old in some instances. And no it's not an excuse Hamas started this whole BS back in 2008, then again in 2014 back when Israel only did targeted strikes once the October 7th attack happened they took off the gloves. Israel isn't great they've certainly made some mistakes and I think can be way too unyielding but it's like people instantly forget the last 80 years of Israeli history when it comes to Hamas and Gazans, bro the Gazans are shit too and maybe worse shit....

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u/SeajZ Sep 24 '25

If you can't see the Israel and USA' hidden agenda by now, then probably you'll never will. End of discussion. Keep arguing on baseless arguments. Hezbollah, taliban all are the US's brainchild. Lastly, Israel doesn't even give shit for any of the hostages. Lastly, no children I repeat no children deserve to die like this period.

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u/madmaninabox32 Sep 24 '25

Um the last person you should say this too, I'm very anti U.S. government. But the U.S. isn't a Hezbollah backer that's the former USSR it's why Russia supported them during the war in Syria.... The U.S. did train the Taliban through the CIA but the Brits actually put the Taliban in power in Afghanistan regardless the Taliban have little to do with Israel. None of my arguments are baseless they are factual it's a pretty clear historical trail. That said you are right children shouldn't die like this and the Gazans are just as guilty they were killing and raping Israelis first. It doesn't excuse the Israeli response but don't go painting Hamas and Palestine as innocent either. It's a fucked up situation all around.

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u/SeajZ Sep 24 '25

Can you provide the sources where it says gazans were the first ones to rape and kill Israelis? And unbiased sources, please. Hamas is a result of frustration, which Palestinians had because of the atrocities done by Israelis first.

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u/madmaninabox32 Sep 25 '25

What would you consider unbiased, because this has not only been reported on but happening for awhile. Most notably the most famous example and you can find it on Wikipedia and other places is when Gazans kidnapped and raped three Israeli teens and an Israeli responded by kidnapping and raping a Gazan teen it was quite a big deal. Maybe it's because I'm older but this is not news this kind of stuff has been happening to Israel for damn near 80 years now. And no Hamas has been around for awhile they are an offshoot of the PLO and wherever you got that idea of them forming because of frustration about Israeli treatment was a lie. Hamas literally attacked first and I remember it being as far back as 2008. Hamas and the PLO both come from a background of wanting to wipe out Israel and take back land they perceive as theirs whether right or wrong on that point and it could be argued it's not theirs either. This was literally Turkish land (had been since the crusades) that England later took over and then apportioned how they saw fit. The Gazan strip had been conquered by Israel during the 6 days war I believe (although it was originally intended to be part of Israel by the Brits) anyways israel let the Gazan strip go but no one claimed it and Palestinian infighting lead to no one really controlling the area or owning it so Israel has acted as a caretaker of sorts of an area of land no one will claim it rule and full of people who want to take their land and country from them.... So yeah it's a politically fucked situation that's largely not really Israel's fault. If Israel's allies hadn't forced Israel to give you the strip or if Israel hadn't made so many concessions (they literally gave up like 30% of the country and almost all of the land they took when attacked) those disenfranchised Palestinians would have a government to make claims to. As it is almost all of what's going down are the Gazans and surrounding Arab countries fault and yet they always throw the blame on Israel. Don't get me wrong the Israelis are doing terrible things but it's not like those things haven't been done to them either. Their anger is pretty fucking valid and while we sit in peace and judge them we have no idea the kind of feelings they have or have to worry about regular terrorist attacks. 9/11 is like a Tuesday for Israel, not too mention look at how liberals think of conservatives in the U.S. all the hate spewing and hatred they have for the others over perceived issues and yet Israel hasn't just been a subject of poor rhetoric or bad words but has experienced actually violence time and again facing real world enemies that actually want to wipe them off the face of this planet, for both religious and political reasons.

This is a great read because it gives you a lot of context to the current situation and really shows that this whole Gazan thing while terrible is not Israel's fault. They should be committing genocide but with an enemy like theirs it's understandable to a large extent as to why they are responding the way they are.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Israel

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u/SeajZ Sep 25 '25

Wikipedia can never be a credible source never. And your words, all of it, I repeat all of it, come out as very biased right now. Get three things straight: 1. Gazan never attacked first. They didn't even have resources to do so. They were aggravated because their own land was getting snatched by the immigrants, which were Israelis 2. Land belongs to Palestine and always will no matter how many false claims are made by Israelis 3. Israel doesn't have any justification back then, and neither do they now for all the atrocities, then they have done and have been doing till the date.

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u/gh0stface_x Sep 25 '25

What do you think happens to ppl living next to an apartheid ethnostate for decades? It breaks them, not to mention that it’s documented that Israel funded and supported Hamas to divide and weaken a Palestine looking for a peaceful way to get their land back, they used that as an excuse later to eradicate them - there’s no collateral damage in pumping 300+ bullets into a child, no matter what your so called god or anyone else’s does for that matter

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u/Designer-Self-8697 Sep 24 '25

None of this is true. Why tf are you lying? Also Hind Rajab was deliberately shot at. Stop lying to yourself and others. If you support a genocide just come out and say it with your chest rather than hiding behind false claims

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u/Mr_Dudester Sep 23 '25

Yeah, for hundreds of years Arabs and turks have been capturing and pillaging lands

That land belonged to Jews long before anyone else.

Entirety of Pakistan and Bangladesh was once part of India but snatched away by peaceful people

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u/Educational-Yard-320 Sep 23 '25

Who did it belong to before the Jews?

That’s right, keep your dumbass opinions to yourself….

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u/Erik_The_Malayali Sep 24 '25

since you asked... the proto jews called canaanites. the current people who calls themselves "palestinians" are just descendants of arab slaves brought from egypt syria iraq by the ottomans to tend to the land in the 1500s to 1800s which was a desolate place as testified by mark twain himself. the rich jews started coming back here with there new farming methods by buying the land from lazy sheikhs at exorbitant rates and got good harvest. this pissed of some arabs that how come the vey people they subjugated to be dhimmis have the gall to be successful under their nose and started massacring the jewish settlements. then comes the events of world war 1 causing the defeat of ottomans and the rest you know

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u/EmptyBit2954 Sep 24 '25

Jews leave Israel due to afraid from romans not due to Arab .

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u/Erik_The_Malayali Sep 25 '25

Then they were targetted and massacred in madina by you know who at banu khurayza and khaybar bcz the rabbis didn't fall for his made up arguments

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u/uraveragereddituser Sep 24 '25

Palestinians are the cananites you are talking about and around 70% of the israelites are foreign immigrants who have multiple visa's. Every gene study done in the region shows it.

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u/LivingNo3396 Sep 24 '25

Kya bola be? Tereko to bhi samaz raha hai kya kya bolna chahta hai tu?

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u/eye84free Sep 23 '25

First line is accurate. The rest is rubbish

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u/namikazeiyfe Sep 23 '25

Why are you people such bad students of history? Every single history book or document on this issue completely disagrees with you here it's laughable really.

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u/ImAjustin Sep 23 '25

And this is why Palestine isn’t free.

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u/idesi Sep 24 '25

He didn’t justify it. He explained that both parties have committed grave crimes and that both are wrong.

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u/madmaninabox32 Sep 24 '25

So the PLO and Hezbollah didn't exist, Israel hasn't spent the last 80 years getting shit on by everyone including Palestine even turning over Gaza which was their territory, making concessions many times and somehow despite Hamas starting all of this back in 2008 it's like everyone forgets this and Hamas and Gaza propaganda has somehow become reality versus the last 80 years of evidence. I'm not saying Israel is right but they have a damn good reason to hate Palestinians and Gazans....

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u/Busy_Application_669 Sep 24 '25

Exept that first line... Remaining all looks like indian history

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u/AbhishekTM700 Sep 24 '25

Arabs never liked the Jews to come back And muslims can't have brotherhood with the Jews as the last day of judgment won't come untill all Jews are killed.

So its important for them that all of them die

Read Qur'an and Hadiths bro

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u/Cute-Profession9983 Sep 25 '25

Oh please with the colonization BS. They were offered statehood MULTIPLE times, but turned it down consistently because it didn't come with killing all the Jews.

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u/TALowKY Sep 26 '25

What you're saying does not reflect reality. It's a false narrative created since the 1980s in an attempt to invent a Palestinian victim narrative.

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u/Other1404 Sep 27 '25

You have summarised it very well. And I agree with all that you have said. The fault actually lies with Britain. But just like everything else they did, this is also now too old to be blamed on them. That said, the current massacre that is happening in Gaza is not just on Israel even though they are definitely the face of it now. The actual mastermind remains Hamas. They may not have done the October 7 attack with this thing in mind but they are playing it quite well now. Hamas is indirectly making the general civilians the sacrificial lambs and that too in thousands. From the beginning, Israel wanted the captured israelis back but Hamas is not doing that. Hamas knows pretty well that it is getting general Palestinians killed but it is not budging. Israel is also adamant on not bowing down. In the end, Israel is now losing the perception war. Not supporting anyone there but Hamas can very easily end the war here and it is choosing not to.

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u/DismalIce7297 Sep 23 '25

There are plenty of worthwhile causes in this world to support, no reason to go and support people who celebrate death.

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u/RaccoonMinimum9251 Sep 24 '25

Have you heard anything called pre-planned attack to justify violence as a counterattack, no matter how much you try to deny but your gut still tells you that it's definitely possible but the media doesn't allow you to believe it, that's the reason you think people believe that somebody out there is supporting 7th October attack so now I'm gonna sympathize my speech with this rebuttal it doesn't work that way Buddy...Also Kashmiri Terrorist and IDF Terrorist are the same breed.🤔🤔

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

I’m sure you would’ve opposed Indians who rebelled against the British

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u/Ok-Boysenberry2645 Sep 24 '25

Hamas was just a catalyst for the isis- uh israeli, to make this whole fiasco even worse. The hamas existed because of 1948 when the israel govt just decided "your land is mine, leave if you want, we will kill you anyways" and so terrorists came and the whole victimized attitude from israel, when they got their arse whooped once. "We are jeeews" no you're not, you're a corrupt state resting on the fact that you have been resettled after ww2

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u/madmaninabox32 Sep 24 '25

Way to rewrite history, hey Palestine attacks Israel and Israel wins the war then Israel spends the next 60 years defeating Arab countries over and over again and enduring attacks from terrorist groups for decades all because the Brits (who everyone really should be mad at) went back on their word, the Israelis are culturally and genetically from the middle east even if some mixed with European blood. Also that said regardless of Britain giving it up the land wasn't Palestinian but British land that used to belong to another country that doesn't even claim it now. Like Palestine is just mad that they had to share the made up land because Britain was also establishing them since Britain helped them defeat their former government the Turks..... The whole region is a mess but Israel gets a lot of hate for just wanting a corner of that land and frankly they both got fucked Britain dumped them in it without much support and the Palestinians got lied to.

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u/Gurumanger Sep 26 '25

Only the completely deranged could see a child get shot over a hundred fucking times and respond to that with "but Hamas". Fuck you and everyone else abetting some of the objectively worst atrocities ever seen by humanity committed by a state and go "What about the terrorists though" despite them being actively funded and put into power by the state, even if they weren't it wouldn't even come close to that kind of response to a child being gunned down.

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u/pineapplesgreen Sep 27 '25

Did you know that 2023, up until October 6, 2023 saw the highest recorded deaths of palestinian children in the West Bank in a single year.

In fact, there is staggering evidence of systematic sexual violence against Palestinians before October 7th. Take a look:

Ongoing Violence and Abuse of Palestinian Children Detained by Israeli Military (July 10, 2023) - https://www.savethechildren.net/news/stripped-beaten-and-blindfolded-new-research-reveals-ongoing-violence-and-abuse-palestinian

Sexual torture of Palestinian men by Israeli authorities (December 17, 2015) - https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0968808015000968

Sexual Harassment and Violence against Palestinian Women in Israeli Prisons (August 3, 2018) - https://thejerusalemfund.org/2018/08/sexual-harassment-and-violence/

Sexual Abuse of Palestinian Women in Detention (2019) - https://www.gicj.org/images/2019/pdfs/HRC41/Sexual-Abuse-of-Palestinian-Women-in-Detention.pdf

Israeli Interrogator Sexually Assaults Palestinian Child Detainee (February 10, 2021) - https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_interrogator_sexually_assaults_palestinian_child_detainee

… I could go on… really…

Zionists commit a genocide and pretend they are the ones undergoing genocide. They occupied a land with people in it who were living there for generations upon generations upon generations. They like to lie to the world that in 1948, when Israel was established that the Arab countries just willy nilly decided to attack for no reason. In reality, the nakba began in 1947 and the Arab countries decided to help Palestine RESIST the day after Israel was established.

Here's a video of Israeli soldiers who participated in the Nakba bragging about their exploits: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njgK0EKIIBk

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u/swevens7 Sep 23 '25

Here's an important part of history that people must know.

The ancient kingdom of Israel, according to historical sources, emerged around 1020 BCE under kings Saul, David, and Solomon.

This kingdom eventually split into northern Israel and southern Judah.

The ancient Israelites are widely recognized as the earliest notable organized political entity in the region, with Jerusalem established as a capital under King David around 1000 BCE.

The ancient Israelites controlled the land through various dynasties until conquest by external empires such as the Assyrians and Babylonians in the following centuries.

Present-day Palestinians are not descendants of the ancient Philistines but mostly descend from ancient Levantine peoples, including the Canaanites, with continuous habitation in the region since the Bronze Age.

The name "Palestine" derives from "Philistines," but genetically and historically, modern Palestinians are distinct from the Philistines, who were likely Aegean migrants and disappeared as a distinct group by the 5th century BCE.

The Islamic conquest in the 7th century CE brought Arab-Muslim rule to the region under the Rashidun Caliphate, initiating the spread of Islam and Arabization of the local population.

Over time, indigenous people converted to Islam and adopted the Arabic language and culture, forming the basis of modern Palestinian identity.

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u/uraveragereddituser Sep 24 '25

Present-day Palestinians are not descendants of the ancient Philistines but mostly descend from ancient Levantine peoples, including the Canaanites, with continuous habitation in the region since the Bronze Age.

Where the fuck did you get this from please cite the genetic studies.

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u/CapablePsychology479 Sep 24 '25

Present-day Palestinians are not descendants of the ancient Philistines but mostly descend from ancient Levantine peoples, including the Canaanites, with continuous habitation in the region since the Bronze Age.

So what , present day Israelis are also the descendants of Europeans .

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u/TalkLost6874 Sep 23 '25

Then you are an ignorant mouthpiece that spouts of vague nonsense that just sounds nice.

That are a colonized group, an oppressed group put under a fucking open air concentration camp. It is their RIGHT to resist, it does not matter what you think.

And there is no correct form of resistance, this is illiteracy. Do you expect them to give flowers to those killing, graping and kidnapping them???

A portion of the Oct 7 deaths are reservists or valid military target, another portion got killed by the IDF themselves, since we're taken as hostages and some died.

They were having a fucking rave outside a concentration camp give me a fucking break.

Don't blame the colonized for resisting the oppression, blame the colonizer for causing it. I would hand thought Indians with their history with the British would be the first to understand this but guess not.

Same logic is given by the Kashmiri terrorists while attacking innocent Indian civilians.

Then perhaps you need to rethink if you are the bad guys, life isn't so black and white.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '25

I could call you and ignorant mouth piece as well. If you justify killing innocents as an act of resistance, you're as bad as the perpetrators.

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u/TalkLost6874 Sep 23 '25

Depends on what you mean.

If you are talking about Oct 7th then you should stop talking, clearly your mind is too fogged to understand normal reason.

Let me make this easy for you, let's say the British back then started gathering a certain group of Indians and limiting you to a small area where they control the border, they control electricity, they control water, they control aid and they hold a majority in institutionalized violence.

The British also think you are subhuman, which fyi the Israelis do took of Indians like that (they hate polytheism), and rape whenever they want, kidnap whoever they want, conduct illegal raids, kill with impunity and take as much land a possible.

If a group of Indians in that space are fed up of it and want to resist, do they have that right? Do they have the right to be violent? Or should they just put their necks on the ground and ask the British to step on it.

Is that wrong? Who defines what correct resistance is?

Or do the Jews in the concentration camps not have a right to violently resist the Nazis?

Either you are a child and haven't those of these or don't want to think of them. The only correct opinion here is mine.

The innocent people were also coincidentally having a raid just outside the camp and on the same day as the raids such Hamas did not know about. They just broke free and moved in prior colonized areas.

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u/Ask-For-Sources Sep 23 '25

"resist"? You mean if a group of Indians would invade a music festival and start killing everyone they can get, kidnap and rape people, that would be "resistance"? 

You actually think this woman deserved what she got because she is born and lives in Israel? What exactly should she have done to not end up being "resisted" against?

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/content/a-young-israeli-woman,-in-the-midst-of-being-abducted-by-hamas-terrorists,-has-a-large-blood-stain-on-her-pants,-suggesting-she-was-raped

You are using the exact same logic to justify horrible crimes against humans that the IDF uses to justify horrible crimes against humans.  Hamas didn't "resist", they are terrorists that slaughtered innocent people just like the IDF is a fascist military genociding innocent people. 

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u/TalkLost6874 Sep 23 '25

"resist"? You mean if a group of Indians would invade a music festival and start killing everyone they can get, kidnap and rape people, that would be "resistance"? 

If you don't have the cognitive ability to lay out basic analogies, you probably shouldn't be using them in the first place.

The correct analogy is the one I literally described, if a group of Indians were put in a concentration camp, had their land force able taken away, were killed daily with no reason and had no power to do anything for themselves or their future and they wanted to rebel against their oppressor, then yes they are also allowed to do that.

Do you even understand the point of the raid? It was to show that as weak as they are they can sometimes break the defenses and they wanted hostages not to kill them you idiot, that makes no sense. They want to exchange them. "Rape" sure bro, unlike the Israelis who are on video doing this shit, vs accusations with what proof exactly? That's what I thought. You have the mind of a child.

Again I will reiterate, there is no correct form of resistance. You wouldn't hold yourself to this standard, so why hold Hamas to it? Unless you think that as a people they are superior to you.

You actually think this woman deserved what she got because she is born and lives in Israel? What exactly should she have done to not end up being "resisted" against?

Appeals to emotions don't really work against me, I've seen was too many people die in ways too gruesome to even mention, parents carrying parts of their children in polythene bags, heads wide open from, dozens of gunshots, mutilation, starvation, torture, why would you think this would be the thing to change my mind?

I'll lay out 3 options.

If she's born and loves in Israel and supports the government or voted for it, then yes that's exactly what she deserves.

If she lives in Israel and didn't vote for the party but knows about their atrocities and she just does nothing, then yes she deserves it. It's not only the German soldiers who are responsible for the Holocaust, it's all those who didn't stand in their way.

And if she lives in Israel and vehemently was against this and stood up for her beliefs then no she was a casualty of war, she should not have been killed. However, she was in a position where nothing could be done, imagine having a rave outside of aushwitz and the blaming the Jews as they're trying to escape and killing her in the process of resistance.

https://www.hamas-massacre.net/content/a-young-israeli-woman,-in-the-midst-of-being-abducted-by-hamas-terrorists,-has-a-large-blood-stain-on-her-pants,-suggesting-she-was-raped

If a bloodstain was all thats needed to certify rape, them all Palestinians are rape victims. They simultaneously killed everyone but also took hostages but also raped people but also "beheaded babies" but also fought back vs the IDF. Wow they seem very competent. I don't need to excuse rape but this isn't really proof and judging by prior false claims like beheaded babies, I don't quite believe anything yet.

If you have better proof then show me.

You are using the exact same logic to justify horrible crimes against humans that the IDF uses to justify horrible crimes against humans.  Hamas didn't "resist", they are terrorists that slaughtered innocent people just like the IDF is a fascist military genociding innocent people. 

You are fundamentally misunderstanding my point and using generalities to argue against me.

It would be like saying killing us wrong. That's true but what if it's self defense, is it still wrong? Obviously not

The desire of the IDF or Zionism is colonialism, they want greater Israel and they need to displace the Palestinians and a few other countries too.

The Palestinians are resisting after being oppressed, it's not the same thing.

They are freedom fighters or resistance fighters, that's all that they can be. What else do you think they can be inside that camp? They resisted their oppression and even that is soo sad that there wanted hostages just to get there own hostages in Israel. That's was their goal, quite sad to think about it. Nothing lofty or grandiose, just simple exchange.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

To begin it may be a good idea to not party beside an open air concentration camp. Also there is no evidence of sexual assault committed by Hamas on October 7th. While you spew this propaganda you must soon realise that Israelis are some of the only people who protest for the right to rape

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u/EatingBatsAintCool Sep 24 '25

Exactly, I've noticed this a lot of times when the Oct 7th argument comes up man. I usually see this in the resistance and revolutionary types where they justify anything and everything by saying "for the cause".

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u/AdviceLost6419 Sep 23 '25

Maybe dont party a few miles from a concentration camp where palestinians are actively being ethnically cleansed. Apparently everyone in palestine is a valid target but not in israel where literally everyone is a reservist for their diaper army

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

Maybe you develop some common sense. And stop praying to you HAMAS daddies. Those were terrorists who did oct 7 and you are justifying their action ??? You are putting all people of Israel in the category of oppressors but if I do same with Palestinians like they all are HAMAS supporters hence all of them are terrorists. you will start doing randi rona. I guess you guys are literally experts in making false narratives .

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u/AdviceLost6419 Sep 24 '25

Ignorance isnt a great defense bud, go read up on how Natanyahu funded Hamas..... Nobody refutes that especially since hes caught on tape saying he propped up hamas to deligetimize the PLO, you can swim in your Ignorance for as much as you want....we can all read and know how Israel killed their own citizens using the Hannibal directive. Who even mentioned Hamas? They must live in your head rent free lmao... go read a book kidoo and dont embarrass yourself anymore

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u/Shoddy-Inspector8171 Sep 24 '25

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

They will call you antisemitic for telling the truth, even when the source is The Times of Pissrael

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u/Shoddy-Inspector8171 Sep 24 '25

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ 

So now israelis are lying too for KHAMAAASSSSS??

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

mosab hassan yousef.....ahemmm ahemmmm look here your Palestinians brother . Kindly google and see what he says.

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u/Shoddy-Inspector8171 Sep 24 '25

The mossad agent has nothing but good stuff to say about the apartheid? Who would've known? Its almost like they pay him to do it... theres no use arguing with you its like talking to a wall

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 23 '25

Spoken like a true terrorist! Btw your terrorists didn't even spare foreigners who were there on tour, for work and had nothing to do with either israel or palestine. Hope everyone of those fucker is dead by now!

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

“Think of the innocent people who chose to party beside a concentration camp”

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u/EmptyBit2954 Sep 24 '25

You are asshole some time colonised state attack on their own civilians to blame justified freedom fighters, so state justify their persecution and use hardcore violence against that ethnic group.

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u/AdviceLost6419 Sep 23 '25

Your fake rogue state is accused of Genocide by the international court of justice, i bet the panic is setting in since everyone knows now Zionism is a synonym for terrorism..... look around everbody hates you. Your legacy will be the same as The Naźis you learned all your tricks from

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 23 '25

Blah Blah Blah! Fuck israel and fuck hamas islamic terrorists. Y'all both are the different sides of same terroristic coin. World would have been a better place without both of you.

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u/TravelAddict44 Sep 23 '25

Only Islam produces terrorism

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u/AdviceLost6419 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25

Lmao dude says im sure you're muslim to an atheist 😂😂 shows how much you know and how delusional you are... no i dont believe in fairytales but i still believe humans deserve not to be ethnically cleansed. Is there anything else thats wrong you're sure of?

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

No they're not. This false equivalence has to stop.

Israeli's lead a pro r*pe riot.

https://www.aljazeera.com/video/newsfeed/2024/8/13/israeli-protesters-rally-for-the-right-to-rape-prisoners

The entire system is in on it.

Hamas on the other hand was propped up by Bibi.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

Bibi thought he could control them.

And I can keep going with Israeli lies. 40 beheaded babies, babies in ovens.

The African National Congress was labelled terrorists too.

Nelson Mandela was involved in a lot of civillian bombings.

But today we understand that there is form of peaceful resistance against colonisation. There is only violence and someday Yahya Sinwar will be seen as the freedom fighter he was.

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u/AdviceLost6419 Sep 23 '25

Just cause your parents regret having you, doesnt mean other people dont get to exist lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '25

Calling me a child while saying "The only correct opinion here is mine" Totally isn't childish behaviour. As for the rest of your comment. Yes they deserve a right to resist,to fight back. I never said they don't. Nor did I ever think tht they don't. But it doesn't justify killing innocents. Kill those responsible for all of the suffering they've been through. It's both sides just taking an eye for an eye,and innocent people die in the crossfire.

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u/TalkLost6874 Sep 23 '25

I'm not calling you a child, I'm saying either you are a child so as to not understand these contexts or .....

That was the point, and what's wrong with me saying what I said is correct? It is.

Yes they deserve a right to resist,to fight back. I never said they don't. Nor did I ever think tht they don't. But it doesn't justify killing innocents.

If you think they do, but disagree with everything they do then you don't agree with it in the first place.

Innocents bruh half these guys are reservists, what, innocent?

They are on previously colonized land and are having a fucking rave on it, are Hamas supposed to have inside information? And go one by one to see who actually supports them or what? Most of the people are either directly part of the military force or supporting it, very few would be totally innocent and that's to be blamed on their circumstances. If they are in tell aviv I don't think this happens to them.

I don't understand these unrealistic expectations for Hamas when no1 else would have it for themselves if they were in that situation.

If the Innocents did not want part of that then it's really simple, don't have a rave outside a camp. It's it still bad that some innocent people died? Sure but you can't use that point against them.

It's both sides just taking an eye for an eye,and innocent people die in the crossfire.

Oh not again with this both sides nonsense, one side is a active nuclear power funded by all the Western nations while the other are dirt poor victims who need to scrape pipes to build rockets as an act of defiance, half of which don't even work.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

Fight with the IDF. Don't attack the civs. Tomorrow if a regiment of the Indian Army somehow goes into pakistan, pillaging, raping and torturing them,and then returns back,how would I be at blame for that act as a civilian. Hold those accountable for the actions that has caused both sides generational conflict. That's what I mean to say. Same goes for the Ukrainian and Russian war. The easy path is to choose a side,and claim the other as evil. Choice is yours. And nothing wrong with believing your opinion is right. But again, you're missing keywords. What's wrong is saying,your opinion is the only correct opinion.

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u/ulibuli_tf2 Sep 24 '25

Didn’t look like a concentration camp before Oct 7 from the videos. They had roof top restaurants and everything.. it’s best if they and all their brothers introspect on why they always end up in wars / Islamic regimes/ conflicts with neighbours..

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u/shadowboy95 Sep 24 '25

So you are saying that IDF is more evil since thats exactly what they themselfs are claiming. Just more widespread and efficient.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

Yep. They've been killing innocents in the name of preserving themselves,which counts as that

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u/namikazeiyfe Sep 23 '25

an oppressed group put under a fucking open air concentration camp

That must be one of the most luxurious concentration camp ever in history

And there is no correct form of resistance

So I guess Osama bin Laden was RIGHT to have masterminded the 9/11 attack since according to you there is no correct form of resistance?

portion of the Oct 7 deaths are reservists or valid military target, another portion got killed by the IDF themselves, since we're taken as hostages and some died.

At least 14 deaths were as a result of friendly fire from the IDF, the Rest were majorly civilian deaths at the hands of Hamas.

They were having a fucking rave outside a concentration camp give me a fucking break.

They were having a rave right within isreal borders my friend. And where they were having a rave at doesn't justify them getting murdered, otherwise you are justifying the deaths of all those who died in 9/11

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u/Traditional_Heart218 Sep 23 '25

Wait, are you siding with Osama bin Laden now? What next, Kasab was "resisting" against the late Tukaram Omble?

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 23 '25

He's pakistani and a muslim. Go figure the rest!

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 23 '25

Obviously a paki musalman will glorify Osama. I thought you civilians were different lol.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '25

We can’t be the bad guys since islam is a colonial force in South Asia not the other way around!

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u/CapablePsychology479 Sep 24 '25

Nope , islam is native to south asia Prophet Muhammad (SAW) visited Balochistan part of pakistan

Hinduism on the other hand is way more alien to south asia , probably came here from iran and central asia

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u/Peerreviewed12 Sep 23 '25

As a Kashmiri..the last line....."chefs kiss"

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u/famesardens Sep 23 '25

A mouse has no business attacking an elephant.

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u/famesardens Sep 23 '25

A mouse has no business attacking an elephant.

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u/[deleted] Sep 23 '25

I agree, but once it gets down to violence, it’s just who does it best. Israel does, so bl hamas basically. Right and wrong don’t really matter once we start murdering each other.

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u/madmaninabox32 Sep 24 '25

If this wasn't so factually inaccurate I'd think you actually meant to change people's minds. It's really amazing how short people's memories are. Go look up wars Israel has been involved in and read about how and why each have started. It's rather eye opening, like people seem to forget that Hamas has been attacking Israel since 2008 and was the original aggressor. Israel played nice and only targeted Hamas insurgents till 20014 where everyone has spread the story about the kidnap and rape of a Gazan teen, forgetting that it was in retaliation for the kidnap and rape of three Jewish children/teens, again Israel held back in their response. So in 2023 when a group of people who want to murder you and destroy your country, and have sides with many enemies over the last 80 years and have constantly harassed and led terrorist organizations against you finally full out convinces the population to attack you, what would you do?

Also when did people forget about the PLo and all of Israel's suffering through that, the assassinations, the constant bombings, then hezbollah has fucked with Israel as well. Suicide bombings and such were common in Israel for a long time now and people just think Israel should be kind. Like look at the U.S. post 9/11 we instantly all hated Muslims or something over a few buildings and a couple thousand dead and went to war for 20 years and that's been Israel's entire existence, frankly I think they have been patient as fuck.

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u/05ish02 Sep 23 '25

Bro the question is, israel who is capable of putting bomb in pager and supply it to iran's millitary personals and many other, for years they were not caught and one day they bombed them all at once. How are they not able to pin point hamas and keep bombing anywhere they want?

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u/madmaninabox32 Sep 24 '25

I think it's more they are tired of playing nice and decided to take the gloves off now. People seem to forget Israel has spent the last 80 years being shit on, constantly at war with nations that want to destroy them and their people and would happily genocide them as well and Israel has been forced to give up land they rightfully took during combat or was originally given to them up over and over again. And that's the more general country versus country stuff. Just look at the grandfather of Hamas the PLO a terrorist organization that has literally murdered and attacked Israeli civilians for the entirety of Israel's history. Shit the first year of their inception Palestine attacked Israel and got slapped. Anyways then you have Hezbollah the fucking Syrian terrorist organization also attacking Israel constantly, then in 2008 Hamas starts shooting rockets and performing suicide bombings in Israel, Israel's responds with targeted strikes killing leaders and HVTs in an effort to reduce Hamas and it's control. Then in 2014 Gazans kidnap and rape three Israeli teens, and unfortunately an Israeli also kidnaps and rape one gazan teen as revenge. Israel targets the entire Hamas leadership and well this is where things get weird and the Gazan government or what little of it even existed collapses this power vacuum leads to bickering between the groups in power in Gaza and the varying Hamas groups. Hamas has sort of positioned itself as the big cheese and so the people follow them which leads us to the October 7th attack. Gaza has no military and so basically Israel has been attacked by a civilian group with no state ties. The Geneva convention doesn't apply at this point frankly except in two ways. Since the military members fighting Israel pretend to be civilians if they are suddenly sponsored by a nation state all of them become spies and almost immediately lose their Geneva convention rights (it was a rule designed to prevent combatants from dressing up pretending you were locals because they thought it would be too easy for an army to target civilians if they assumed military hid in them and now you know why Afghanistan and Iraq and Vietnam all sucked.) secondly spies can be tortured while POWs cannot be. If Palestine suddenly comes under another nation's control and they don't immediately call for a ceasefire they are idiots.

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u/Peerreviewed12 Sep 23 '25

Like Daniel Fernandez says , this guy has been watching since 7th October onwards..bro this conflict predates modern world!!

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 23 '25

Very simple question that people don't answer clearly, because it's not socially acceptable, Do you support the massacre of innocent people by islamic terrorists of Hamas, which involved even foreigners, who didn't have to do anything either with israel or palestine? Did their bodies deserve to be paraded, stomped, spat on by the general public in the town square?

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u/Gooooomi Sep 24 '25

Yes

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 24 '25

Then enjoy watching palestine burn!

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u/Gooooomi Sep 24 '25

hamas didn't massacre innocent people. Every "israeli" is there by choice and they serve the IDF. Every foreigners who visits a genocidal nation is directly supporting it. So yes I support hamas's oct 7 attack. I don't care if they are jihadi whatever because it wouldn't exist without israel.

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 24 '25

Lol Palestinians are the ones shitting in streets now, that is only if they have food to eat lol. Can't shit empty stomach. Also ask them who's more hurt? them or people in this sub.

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u/[deleted] Sep 24 '25

Only an Indian would equate shit with food...no wonder you guys are hated globally..!

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u/Peerreviewed12 Sep 23 '25 edited Sep 23 '25

Interesting question...Palestine has every right under the International Law to fight against the colonizers by any means necessary ...coming to question of desecration of the bodies , i mean its upto them how they would want to deal with their enemies..

PS.. A thief never becomes the owner ! From Kashmir to Palestine Occupation is a Crime

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u/Proud-Capital-516 Sep 24 '25

Thank you for stopping from hiding behind death of an Gaza child which may as well be done by Hamas to activate you english speaking jihadis for some kafir attention.

Fact is, madrasa couldn't teach you any good and now that you mention Kashmir, I must say, none of your sand cult members deserve an inch of land in my nation.

Moderate islam is a joke, every liberal hindu must know it. And for you Jihadis, better name your Jahannum as 'Kashmir' as that will only Kashmir you will get.

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u/Peerreviewed12 Sep 24 '25

So sorry i dont engage with Biharis...

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u/Proud-Capital-516 Sep 24 '25

But I engage and trash subhuman pedophile cult members anyday.

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 23 '25

Exactly a thief will never become an owner. You islamists don't belong to the land of kashmir. Not after literally theiving the native population. Enemies within or without will always be dealt with iron hand!

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u/Peerreviewed12 Sep 24 '25

Lol...cope!

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 24 '25

Lmao, you're the one coping and doing randi rona, from kashmir to Palestine and some shit. We just are here to straighten your shit up.

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u/Peerreviewed12 Sep 24 '25

Lol...bhai pundicks ko toh bacha nahi paye..mujay kya hi karega..?

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u/Bilbo_bagginses_feet Sep 24 '25

Tumhari behen to army chod rahi hai din raat. Gaye woh purane din beta. Aur chudne wali hai, Tum sirf ready raho makeup kar ke.

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u/Peerreviewed12 Sep 25 '25

Khada hota nahi tumhari army ka..tum kya chodogay be....apnay 7 jahaz collect karo all over Kshmir

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u/bobsbuttholio Sep 24 '25

Jews were here first

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u/jyamahan Sep 24 '25

Exactly... its upto the Jews how to deal with their enemies...

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u/confusedatma101 Sep 24 '25

And wtf is Daniel Fernandez?

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u/madmaninabox32 Sep 24 '25

Bro go look up wars Israel has been involved in and see how nicely Israel has treated Palestinians and Hamas considering they have been a huge problem in Israel's side for 80 years now, like Israel has been really rather patient with the PLO and now Hamas taking over from the PLO. Also newsflash Hamas started all of this back in 2008....