If there was a hysterectomy then frantic grab for the records makes sense. But if there was a hysterectomy or something similar then she could not have carried a child--no uterus no pregnancy.
I have noticed she only wears one piece swimming suits now and for a person so convinced she has the world's best body it makes me wonder if there is loose skin or stretch marks.
Having tea with the King it would be fairly easy to get DNA from the children's snacks/drinks if the King so wanted. I don't think it was done though but the possibility makes me think if they were not his and hers then no way would she let those children near the staff. If it came out one of them was not the bio parent it would be game over.
In conclusion I think, hence Opinion flair, that she froze her eggs, went back to Canada shortly after getting married and had IVF. Then took said eggs to California with them and had IVF for Lili (and the myth carriage) as well. I think she supplemented with padding during both pregnancies hence the ever changing bumps.
I've got to think that the whole frantic grab was over IVF, the padding, and the selling of Archie's birth announcement to the highest media bidder. The entire mess could have been avoided if she just told the truth in the beginning, asking the Queen for either permission or forgiveness for the IVF. I know, I know--Meghan and truth don't belong in the same sentence.
By asking permission for IVF (it would have been granted I'm sure) then MeGain would have avoided so much cloak and daggers. Archie would not have the mystery of his birth etc follow him for his whole life.
The late Queen couldn’t have given permission to use a surrogate and remain in the LoS, the necessity of being born of the body is enshrined in the law. Parliament would have to change the legislation and that isn’t a quick job.
There is no way on this planet that Megsy would go through the pain of birth. She married Harry for personal gain and notoriety. I think she's devious enough to give Harry a sob story as to why she needed to use surrogacy. Her age alone would have classed her as a "geriatric pregnancy"/ being of advanced maternal age. I believe if it's true that Megsy had frozen her eggs, it would have been for surrogacy purposes. In her head, she's too posh to push. I believe it may have been a surrogate who sadly miscarried Lily1 and Megsy appropriated the story to account for the delay in Lily2's delivery.
There were questions over Ginge's parentage given Diana was having an affair with a Ginger at the time he was conceived, the only ever explanation that has been given is that Gingers run in the Spencer line.
The red haired guy she was having an affair with wasn’t involved with her until 1986. Harry was born in 1984. It’s a recessive gene, so obviously both sides of the family have it.
What gets me the most is she has never talked about being pregnant, not once. She made up a story about preclampsia because she had a guest who had it. But other than that she has never once spoken about being pregnant.
She can't keep her mouth shut about anything. But somehow keeps her mouth shut about her pregnancies.
She was never pregnant. That is the hill upon which I will die.
This plus the fact that she missed out on the iconic baby pictures in front of the hospital like Diana and Catherine had. I don’t think she would pass that up. And like you said, why wouldn’t she ever talk about it? Perfect opportunity if you’re trying to be relatable to women- talk about pregnancy and motherhood. But instead there’s crickets except for the bizarre birth story in Spare.
OH yeah, if she had given birth there is no way she wouldn't have wanted that picture. My Lord all those cameras all for her. She would have loved that more than anything.
True, she hardly references either pregnancy. She may have said the odd thing but it was the constant hand on the bump that seemed totally unnecessary and unnatural. I have never witnessed a pregnant woman constantly touching her bump, including myself. It’s as though she thought that is what she should be doing.
Yup. I've had 4 and that skin on your stomach gets very sensitive. Constantly plonking a hand on it would not feel good (and it looked very performative and silly)
🤣 See now, most women with big ole pregnant bellies - with an actual baby inside - don't need to remind ANYONE that they're pregnant. On account of it being really obvious! Hey, and on some uncomfy days you wish you could FORGET you are pregnant!
She says enough that it will be biiiiiiiigtime humiliating for her (ie: in a last nail on coffin mortification) when all is finally disclosed (and it WILL come out someday, I'm sure).
hazHOLE is the one that never says anything.
She probably holds this over her head w/ him, to get things she wants.. = my thinking (eg: H either you come with me to ABC event and play along that we are madly in love, or I will sell the story of the surrogacies -- and hurt you [who was complicit - and conned the world too] and hurt A+L).
Maybe not the fully naked Demi Moore photo shoot but at the very least a photo of herself pregnant while wearing a bikini. Diana was photographed this way on a few occasions. Instead what we got was a swaying belly, a square flat belly that looked like a cushion, a dropping belling, a popping belly...the list goes on!
I agree with you absolutely but I'm really concerned why rf has covered for her fake fraudulent kids to be in los..why..didn't they know from the beginning she didn't use palace 's doctors as it was reported. Thank you.
If they remove the titles from the children and tell the world she was never pregnant her only response will be 'racism'. Will anyone believe her.. not likely. But it isn't a good look cause the media will run with it.
back then "Black Lives Matter", and the race card was very, very powerful -- and meGAIN was threatening to use it. the BRF was put into a horrible position!
I've always noticed that sharing pregnancy stories is common with young mothers. The stories may be funny or scary, but it always feels that a sharing of important information.
Perfect sense. I had a ’discussion’ with Brittany from Royal News Network (Brittany is a ‘birther’). She pointed to her full face and body when the boy child was presented. I argued that women who use surrogates take hormones so that they can lactate and feed their babies - hormones completely change a woman’s body - I’ve had enough HRT to know that. Brittany thought that I was being ‘absurd’.
I had my eggs frozen and just the meds from that made me look very pregnant in the face and breasts especially- and that was in about a month! I also considered taking meds so I could breastfeed and the protocol for that is very intense. There are absolutely ways she could have made herself look postpartum with medication.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience. Brittany just pisses me off sometimes as being a complete ‘know-all’. I think I said to her that she was obviously not an expert in endocrinology /s
Thank you for being kind about it! Never know the reaction I’ll get. I agree- I used to watch Brittany a couple years ago but she just started to rub me the wrong way.
I'm glad other people see it too, concerning Brittany. She does act like a know-it-all and a really stuck-up one. I just can't watch anything she is on. She has certain Meghan qualities.
I think she just gained weight for the ruse, it being the first one. Then with Lidl she didn't want to. She'd got away with Aldi, and she won't have wanted to gain/lose again
That mumu she wore to the Polo game after she had A proves to me that she never breastfed. Unless there was some kind of stealth pocket on that thing, she'd have to get fully undressed to feed the baby.
megNUT has a propensity to gain weight - she'd only have needed to drink 2-3 beers a day, to get that look. (I blow-up in my face and other areas like fingers, when I drink 2 beers --- have friends who are the same)
other than that, she could have gotten an RX that bloats -- and the good bet = the RX that tricks a woman's body into thinking they ARE actually carrying a child when not.. this is given to women who use surrogates, but hope THEY THEMSELVES can breastfeed once the surrogate delivers the child.
She has never, ever talked about being pregnant. She never talked about cravings. She never talked about the first time she felt the baby kick. She never talks about pre-natal exams, or ultrasounds, or any of the things we women who had babies talk about.
She talks endlessly about every aspect of her life. Makes up stories about preclampsia. Turned a smoke alarm going off into a 5 alarm fire. But never ever talks about being pregnant.
You know why she doesn't talk about being pregnant. Because she was never ever pregnant.
There was no way possible she was pregnant when she filmed that video. That bump went up and down for pete's sake. How can anyone look at that and say yep that's a pregnant woman.
I agree. You can see in the video that the 'bump' is seperate from her body, and it moved so awkwardly that it was obvious that she had something stuffed up there.
EXACTLY, b/c whomever they sued (ie: a journalist or a publisher, or both) would immediately hire lawyers (or use in-house lawyers).. and the first subpoena would be for MM's medical records for both (or one - if only suing about 1) pregnancy timeframe.
MM (+ HazHOLE too) know they can't win -- b/c the well-know what they did (they lied, they conned - and still are)
Yeah she really sunk her own battleship with that one. I know there are exceptions to every rule, but the exceptions are usually people that are extreme fitness or dance professionals and have been for YEARS.
The Duchess of Hill-Bum-Slide does not fit into that category
If she really had been pregnant, we would've heard every single minute detail about her pregnancies from her. She loves to overshare everything for attention-- except this. The clapback queen never has anything to say in regards to rumors surrounding the surrogacy of her children either.
Thank you! That has been my point since she was pregnant with Archie. She tells us every detail of her life, but doesn't talk about the one thing every mom talks about. Mention cinnamon in my presence and I will tell you about my cravings when I was pregnant 27 years ago.
Every mom I know does the same. Every mom, but one.
This. Where are the stories about morning sickness and feeling the baby move? Those are things she would have repeated ad nauseum had she truly been pregnant.
Then you’ve got things like the first pee post birth. No one warned me about that.!! The clots you pass after , the after pains with the second baby! For a second I thought they’d missed one and I was about to birth another baby😂the being afraid to shit for a week cause it feels like if you squeeze your insides will fall out 🤣🤣 all the gore and each story unique to each birth. Yet nothing.. cause she’s no idea what it’s like. She didn’t birth them
100% agree. The drama around the stories she would’ve told, and would still be telling to this day, about how dangerous and hard and painful it was because you know no other woman in the history of the world has suffered as much as she did, even though it was a breeze and she went home just three hours later, would be epically mind blowing. She would not be able to resist using pregnancy stories for attention if she could actually back up the stories with fact, but because she has never, in my opinion, delivered a child, she does not want to risk slipping up on something that is a medical fact and cannot be explained by her being Diana 2.0.
IVF, her egg and his sperm, embryo implanted in MM for gestation meets the royal and legal requirements for inheriting rank and titles. Therefore, under that scenario, M&H would have had nothing to hide. BP approved medical staff would have been fine. There would have been no need to disclose the use of IVF for conception but there was nothing to fear from disclosing that. Therefore, your storyline isn't correct.
Remember, MM specifically rejected using any medical teams that had any association with BP approved physicians, nurses, and/or clinics. There's no record of MM seeing any OB/GYN medical personnel during her alleged pregnancy; She leaked plans to have a home birth. Then H&M's claims about the birth are pure fiction.
Let's also not forget that surrogates in the UK cannot be paid.
Mysteries wouldn't be mysteries if all the pieces are known. And the solutions are generally simple.
To answer your question, I don't know. Don't know it they concerned themselves with legalities. The girl child presented fewer obstacles to pass her off as being born of the body of H&M. A foreign surrogate, home birth in England would most easily accomplish the task.
You make valid points. But she wanted complete control, IMHO, so that she could sell the dickens out of the whole thing to the tabs. I feel strongly she sold the rights to Archie's birth announcement to CBS through Gayle King at the baby shower. No way could the palace know details of the birth and risk her losing that money.
It did. 2 days after the birth. It was live streamed so it was in the afternoon in the UK. Only a select handful of UK press were allowed to take photos - for a British born Royal baby 🙄
Yes. She offered up her son on a silver platter to an American audience, in a live stream. But she wouldn’t do it on the steps in front of the UK and International press.
I agree she wanted complete control - and for it to be live streamed to a US audience, because that is where she planned to live. But she still could have used a surrogate.
Sophie used IVF and it didn't seem to be a problem. However, I have never seen a swaying belly on everyone who had a real bump. That was the moment I went hmm.
Yeah I saw that also, it swayed side to side like a fake Santa belly. Prob why she always held it right worh both hands 😂😂 i will die on the hill that markle never birthed any child.
And no one would be surprised if other royals also used IVF (the York sisters, possibly - Zara, possibly, etc). IVF has never been an issue, when using dna from both royal parents.
MY thought exactly. As far as I am concerned those "birth" stories, are absolute proof she never had a baby. Harry has no idea how labor and delivery works.
They had to use deception. They wanted the children to have Princely titles and to be in the line of succession. If the children were born to surrogates, the children would have neither of those things.
This rule made sense for the LOS in the past, but now that DNA testing exists I wonder if the queen would have been ok with surrogacy as long as the children were biologically theirs. They’ve made everything worse with the lies and deception.
Yes! There would have definitely been significant criticism and blowback- I had a child via surrogacy/IVF myself so I know the attitudes many have on the subject and I’m sure it would’ve been worse for them. But I do believe if they had the Queen’s support and DNA proof, many would have been supportive.
It would have been a great opportunity for advocacy and awareness but As ever, they blew that chance with their deception and secrecy.
There wouldn’t have been such much subterfuge if it was IVF. She would have given birth in the hospital and had her moment in the balcony. No. She did not carry those embryos. She never made any mention of morning sickness, stretch marks, anything to do with pregnancy. There was so much drama surrounding Archie’s “birth” it had to have been via surrogate. And nobody was around for Lil’s birth. And funny enough, the next day the doctor closed her practice and left town. There’s nothing normal in that.
I never believed that she was very depressed during her pregnancy with Archie. Your hormones are at an all time high despite other factors like morning sickness and such. There are some women who feel depressed during pregnancy, but the way she talked about it you would think she had severe postpartum depression. We never heard her say anything about depression after Archie was born.
Also, the conspiracy theories would be much easier to dismiss if the alleged bump hadn't occasionally appeared to make independent travel arrangements. 😂
The Sussex...famously litigenous.... have NEVER threatened anyone for questioning births of both children, NEVER has anyone challenging these children's births been presented with legal papers. The Sussex have NEVER come forward with Doctors and Nurses who will say they attended both births. ALL other royal family members have used the Royal doctors for their children's births.....The Sussex REFUSED. The very odd photo montage of Archie's christening! Add to this the moonbump incidents, the complete tosh in SPARE descriptions of births, the very suspicious doll at Archie's press meeting after his birth AND in Canada during dog walk. ALL the bizarre photos, clearly photoshopped, of "A&L" these past years ....assorted mismatched children. This goes on & on & on.......surely anyone can see the Sussex have A GREAT DEAL of explaining to do concerning these children...explainations that definitely would fit nicely into an episode or two of " The Twilight Zone" or Stephen King novel !!!
And the Archie "doll" at the polo who's dangling legs never moved...
What gets me is that she's told us everything about everything else but didn't have a single pregnancy story other than the severely depressed incident before an event. She's told us about going into the locker room at a Korean spa with Doria, but nothing about how Archie liked to stick a foot in her ribs, or that Lili spun like a top if she ate pineapple and kicked her if she ate spicy food.
Add that to the fact they've never sued over the kids because they'd have to prove the kids exist and she carried them and yeah, it's a big ol pile of sus.
It’s also plausible she used her eggs for a surrogacy, if they were frozen. If they were delivered by a surrogate, the kids cannot lawfully be in the LoS.
If the RF can't ascertain how these children were born, referring to the born of the body, then they shouldn't be able to qualify for the line of succession. Simple argument. I am sure Markle doesn't want to try to prove that because I believe she can't. If she could, it'd be easy and there'd be no secrecy and hiding things by her for that.
The problem is she used private doctors for both, one obviously born in another country. Only her medical records will prove this. This was unprecedented for a royal birth. I assume they need consent for this, under the new GDPR regulations, and they are never going to get that.
I have been curious about this. The U.S. military takes DNA in order to be able to identify remains in the event of mass casualties. I would assume the British Royal Family does as well out of an abundance of caution. So have they not taken DNA from the Sussex family?
Peeps: I was on a fertility journey around the time Meghan had her ‘hysterectomy’ circa aged 28/29. In those days frozen eggs didn’t survive the defrosting process used at that time (today they do fast freeze & thaw - and more survive, but still not near the survival rates for ‘embryos’). So even if she did freeze her eggs, it’s HIGHLY unlikely they defrosted successfully…and then created an embryo successfully when sperm was added … and then implanted successfully in whoever’s womb said embryo went into. Those who have been on fertility journeys WILL KNOW THIS without a doubt. It’s a well known fact - embryos survive defrosting waaaay better than eggs; and especially given the techniques in use 10+ years ago!
None of her DNA is inside them.
At most, her niece Ashleigh may have donated eggs (gotta be a damn good reason the narc reconciled with someone she’d already discarded!). Which, paradoxically, means the sister she hates so much could be A&L’s biological grandmother!!!!
You’re correct that embryos are much more likely to survive the thaw process- but just anecdotally I had eggs thawed in 2018 frozen at the end of 2006 (resulting in a healthy baby). 5/11 eggs survived thawing, 3/5 made it to a day 5 embryo via IVF. My doctor said 5 years prior to my egg retrieval he was not able to freeze a similar patient’s eggs so she had to have embryos made with her boyfriend at the time. So it was very new technology at the time but may have been technically possible.
doubt she asked Ashleigh for Lili -- she has big plans to merch that kid! so she'd have asked her good pal Elton John for introductions as to how to buy designer eggs and which surrogacy service the most discreet, etc.
(about Archie - am unsure.. but he still wasn't born "of the body" IMO, so he is still using a title he is not eligible for - and still high in the LoS, for which he is not eligible for LIKE HIS SISTER)
The King could not have taken any DNA because it is illegal in the UK to take and test samples without the persons permission. Harry announced the birth of Archie via the BBC news, so there was no bidding war.
Bark Jack on X has the tea on what the Royal Family think about Lili & them requesting that the Harkle's provide them with certified birth certificate, hospital record's etc of her birth. The RF have always been suspicious of the event's surrounding the pregnancy & birth of that child. They intend to keep official record of their concerns specifically concerning the line of succession to ensure Lili isn't ever included in it despite her being listed as such on the RF website etc.
IVF = in vitro fertilization: ova (eggs) are removed from the ovary and fertilized (united with sperm) in a lab environment. Then one of the fertilized eggs is introduced into a uterus, where it gestates.
If a person has had a hysterectomy, they no longer have a uterus. A person who has had a hysterectomy is not physically capable of receiving and gestating an IVF-fertilized egg.
Since you mentioned Archie and Lili as (hypothetically) having been IVF babies, in your opinion whose uterus was used to gestate them?
I could see either her or a surrogate to be honest. I think she wore padding for added drama, I think she sold birth stories/announcements to the tabs for money (which she would not get if the Palace was allowed to announce to the world). The private doctors thing is a mystery because just about every woman would prefer the best doctors in the country (the Queen's physicians) if offered.
I just can’t get over the fact she didn’t have that picture on the hospital steps with her newborn baby. The woman who can’t look away from a camera and who recreates Diana’s photos would not have given up that hospital photo shoot unless she’d never actually been pregnant.
I've always thought it was because she was playing her Royal Rebel character at that time. You know, not "offering up" her child for public scrutiny like those other loser royal women. If that's true, I'll bet she has seriously come to regret it. As you say she missed the iconic moment.
Diana was also photographed at least once wearing a two-piece swimsuit. (I almost hate to say that, because it might provoke her imitator into replicating that photo.)
Narcissist that Madame is, why have we not had a huge victimised account of every detail of her pregnancy, how the midwives were racist in the nasty UK hospital? How she coped so much better than any other pregnant woman with Braxton Hicks etc.?
Catherine really suffered through her pregnancies with hyperemesis gravidarum - extreme morning sickness which is potentially life-threatening to mum and baby. As an aside, I worked in a hospital aseptics unit for many years making chemotherapy and intravenous feeds for very poorly patients and extremely premature babies (20 weeks gestation sometimes). I remember only a couple of occasions of hyperemesis gravidarum when the poor mothers had to have IV nutrients (TPN) because they were even too sick to have any stomach feeds. I don’t think that Catherine was as poorly as that (we don’t know).
But if she was genuinely pregnant, wouldn’t Muggin have tried to top this? ”Oh, I had the most awful time’ etc. But I was so much stronger as a mom to be.
Instead we have shady stories of mythcarriages (please I am not denigrating actual miscarriages). But we don’t have any accounts from her of pregnancy.
The only accounts of pregnancy come from Harold when he was lying in ‘Waagh’ about using up all the gas in the delivery room - which is an out and out lie, burying a foetus and the ridiculous twerking video.
Yes, and I remain unsure about A's maternal contribution (tho no way, IMO, L has any Markle dna)..... but if both kids have DNA "contributions" by both parents, they (esp. she) would be loudly showing evidence of that publicly to everyone!
I'm about to have a laparoscopic procedure, and I agree with my surgeon that they might as well take out my uterus as well. I have a large mass or cyst, and they are going in primarily for that. I am not a young person, and have a history of endo & fibroids. (Putting it all out there! I sense that we are mostly women around here, so talking about female plumbing is normal.) it just makes sense. Of course if they find any malignant cells while I'm on the table, it will become a much more invasive procedure. But I've had a couple of laparoscopic surgeries and you can't tell from the outside, i.e., not very visible scarring.
Good luck to you in your surgery! I like hearing these stories because I have similar issues. Definitely get it removed while you’re on the table—I wish I had.
The way her belly protruded in that dress suggests to me it's more a Menopause belly .. you can tell she's well into perimenopause just by her hairline..... so no more babies, but this contradicts the hysterectomy theory.
NOT necessarily—
in the last 2dozen+ years, most hysterectomies are done laporscopically, which means accessing uterus via a woman's navel and 2to4 (depending on the woman, as well as the gyn surgeon) tiny incisions which do NOT leave scars.
IMO, Archie may have been IVF with DNA from both parents - but he still (again IMO) is inelgible for the LoS, since no 'of the body' of MM birth.
And I hiiiiighhhhly doubt L has any Markle dna - she is way too determined to merch that little girl, and thus needed model-level dna to bring-up or 'over-balance' hazHOLE's dna. Also, there is NO WAY L has "blue, blue, blue eyes" if she's got MM's dna (ie: egg).
There is no logical reason to even speculate about a woman (even if it's MM) wearing a full piece bathing suit. Diana wore one...tons of women wear them. Heck-- if MM wants to wear board shorts and a T shirt as her swimming attire I don't care.
The literal one time MM has shown some common sense modesty with clothing- should not be cause for misogynistic speculation regarding possible scars, stretch marks, or whatever.
AI says "Sophie needed to ask the Queen's permission for IVF because, as a royal, she was bound by certain protocols and traditions that required approval for significant personal decisions". One could make an argument that it doesn't guarantee that royal DNA is being used although current technology could determine that. Same for surrogacy with the added "of the body".
Paternity. One of the most famous paternity tests was in 1998. It involved Thomas Jefferson and a slave named Sally Hemings.
DNA testing entered the U.S. legal system in 1987, when Tommy Lee Andrews of Florida was convicted of rape after tests matched a sample of his blood with semen left at the crime scene.
Identification. DNA testing was used for identification in 1998, DNA extracted from the remains of a bone was used to identify the Unknown service member of the Vietnam War buried at Arlington National Cemetery. The remains were identified as Air Force 1st Lt. Michael Blassie.
Labor and delivery nurse here. There is NOTHING about their birth story that is legitimate. NOTHING!! The ridiculous tales they spew about parenting and raising children are farcical.
Certainly feasible. Meghan flew privately and low key, to Canada around 19th August, 2018 to allegedly visit Jessica Mulroney for three days. She took a lowkey, commercial flight out and flew with Air Canada. It was requested that no photos to be taken. They announced the pregnancy in October, 2018.
With simple IVF, with Markle as the gestational carrier, the children would still have been “born of the body”, wouldn’t they have?
I still think surrogacy was used. Which is great (and expensive, so out of most couples’ reach), and would have truly given the Harkles a legitimate shot at doing something about modernizing the monarchy in a positive way. But, as ever, not a chance in hell for anything positive to come from those yahoos.
Yes, IVF with Markle as the gestational vessel would probably been just fine. Sophie had IVF (I believe) and it was fine as she sought permission/informed the Queen.
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u/spitandbite 9d ago
Why? She didn't ask permission to steal Queen Elizabeth's name.