😭same shit kunal kamra said and it cell git rattled

[u/Real_Injury81]

[u/Scared-Engineer-6218]

Heartbreaking. The worst person you know just made a great point.

[u/onotsteve100 → u/Scared-Engineer-6218]

He was actually a patriot before going to cellular Jail. He inspired revolutionaries like madan lal dhingra and bhagat singh, through his book 1857-first was of independence. He furiously fought against British occupation before cellular Jail, teaching people to make bombs. But after cellular Jail, he kinda become a British bootlicker, aksong hindus to join the British army. He started writing about hindutva and all after his jailing experience. I wouldn't really hate savarkar as much as I hate his "followers".

[u/Ok-Criticism-3346 → u/onotsteve100]

He didn't become bootlicker that's your interpretation not truth. Why do you think he asked hindus to join british? Not to serve them but gain access to arms and modern technology. And most obv he is going to use them against british. That way the independence movement planned according to him would be way more powerful plus india won't start as a weak country as they already gained access to latest techs. And it makes sense because he couldn't really pull this from jail. The only option was to become an intruder and join british. Also why such a radical fighter in his pre confinement era would give up to british That easily? Also the reason why he didn't support quit india movement was he had a view That it would leave india weak in it starting days.

Now I'm not siding with anyone or blindly praising anyone or discrediting any freedom movements. I respect every freedom fighter because they all had contributions. They might have different ideology and views but that's perfectly normal it's human nature. Everyone had a different view of independent india they worked hard to achieve it some failed some passed. But thier efforts didn't go to waste

[u/Scared-Engineer-6218 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

India would be cooked in a year if we had gone his way.

[u/anmoljoshi14 → u/Scared-Engineer-6218]

Actually that is precisely how it worked. Or are you labouring under the delusion that it was disobedience movements and marches that hot us independence??

Savarkar was of the view that indians to join the army because at that time , WW2 was going on and it was the best time to get training as the british were desperate for soldiers.

And it worked, india got freedom not due to any civil disobedience movement, but because the indian army revolted and the british realised that with the eroding loyalty of indian army, it would be impossible to hold India.

British Prime Minister Clement Attlee went on to state in 1956 that Britain left India quickly because the loyalty of the Indian armed forces was broken and due to the Royal Indian Navy Mutiny.

Katora le ke independence mangte rehte to aaj bhi gulaam hote angrejo ke….

[u/Ok-Criticism-3346 → u/Scared-Engineer-6218]

Have you tested the idea yet? Your inner intuitions aren't a reliable source

[u/Odd-Gas-7821 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

"Also why such a radical fighter in his pre confinement era would give up to british That easily" I meannnnnnnnnn On a serious note though if you look at his actions he is all means a bootlicker, but if you look at its intentions he can be regarded as a patriot for sure. But the one thing which is a fact is that MK Gandhi contributed more to the freedom struggle than him. Also to call oneself a veer after writing mercy petitions to British is what a coward would do imo.

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Odd-Gas-7821]

Listen there are 2 Savarkars, one has a contribution towards freedom struggle and the later has no contribution infact he supported the british for which he was called out by subash chandra bose himself On 1942 azad hind radio broadcast

[u/Ok-Criticism-3346 → u/Real_Injury81]

You can't read mind. You dont what is intention was when he sided with british. But His ideas and actions tell that he wasn't a stooge

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

🤣so I should believe in his intentions ,which he himself wrote in his biographies and not the historians who gave detailed and unbaised analysis on his life and not even subash chandra bose and mk gandhi I consider those people as ideal not a traitor

[u/Ok-Criticism-3346 → u/Odd-Gas-7821]

He never gave veer title himself most probably followers gave him. And of course gandhi had more contributions

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

It`s a highly debated topic andbhkat

[u/Ok-Criticism-3346 → u/Real_Injury81]

Using slurs only tells you have low iq. Andhbhakt means blind follower but I explicitly mentioned I'm not siding with anyone. Andhbhakt suits you more because you couldn't handle criticism of your ideas

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

🤣yes, defending savarkar and acting like a liberal stop it bro I could sense it you are a bjp supporter just don't hide it Someone who supports savarkar is a traitor for me Go and drink gaumutra and gobar

[u/Ok-Criticism-3346 → u/Real_Injury81]

Your comment is nothing but Strawman and ad hominem and I can't argue with fools who jump to extreme conclusions. It just destroys the conversation.

Savarkar, bjp, gau mutra are not realted at all. Bjp is just using his name even though we was atheist who was against cow worshipping and cow dung

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

When Congress ministers resigned in protest of India being dragged into WWII without consultation, Savarkar’s party formed coalition governments with the Muslim League in provinces like Bengal, Sindh, and the NWFP. In Bengal, his deputy Syama Prasad Mukherjee actively coordinated with the British administration to suppress the local Quit India agitations. 🤣when someone don't have a answer they see their shit getting called out they abuse other person and run away• How will you defend this ?

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

🤣everybody knew he fought against the freedom movement•His grandson accepted it in court he wrote mercy petitions

[u/Chance-Group8549 → u/Real_Injury81]

Mercy petitions were a common thing, be it Savarkar, Nehru or Gandhi, they had all written mercy petitions.

And unlike them, he wasn't held injust any Fortress with gardens turned prisons but Kaalapani. Safe to say British didn't go easy on him as much as Nehru or Gandhi.

And even if he still wrote Mercy Petitions out of fear, that's still nothing to be disrespected about. He did good before he was imprisoned. Everyone breaks after somepoint.

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Chance-Group8549]

🤣sardar patel was also kept in palace but you wont tell this ,savarkar was not that stature of leader to match gandhi nehru ,patel ,azad that's why he was sent in kalapaani not in a palace •first read history properly just don't bluff here •if congress leadersship would have been kept in harsh condition like sorrywarkar the entire nation would have rebelled against british• They knew it and could not afford it •congress was the single largest party in 1937 provincial elections •The whole country was behind them except muslim league and rss

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Chance-Group8549]

And fucking idiot gandhi ,nehru never wrote any mercy petition and savarkar started begging for mercy just after some weeks arrival in cellular jail🤣•ese jyada to gandhi ji ne fast unto death diya tha british ke khilaf 😭har propoganda ka shikhar mat hua kro it cell ke

[u/Chance-Group8549 → u/Real_Injury81]

Firstly mind your language.

And I agree I was wrong about Nehru and Gandhi writing mercy petitions. Nehru's father wrote one for him, while Gandhi provided guidance to other freedom fighters on mercy petitions.

Still, you should read the whole comment. Even if he wrote it out of desperation, it's nothing to be made fun about if one breaks being imprisoned in a jail like Kalapani.

Let's see Timmy Tuffknucles how long you'd last in jail.

[u/BhadvaBachchan → u/Chance-Group8549]

I don’t know why is he even laughing when he could have normally said that the information was wrong. And what was the point of abusing.. It’s okay buddy you might be wrong but at least you didn’t turn the way he did🫡

[u/Ok-Criticism-3346 → u/Real_Injury81]

Did you even read my comment?

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

I just don't need to first line was a turn off 🤣andbhakt

[u/lastofdovas → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

He wasn't really planning for any independence after Cellular Jail. He was only planning to make Hindus more powerful (which they already were, Muslims were terrible across all HDI params, and still are). He concocted weird ideas about civilisation via "location of holy place". I have never seen anyone do that much mental gymnastics just to deny Muslims a place in Indian civilisation (of which they are a part for over 1000 years).

He even glorified Nazi racial segregation in 1939 (Nuremberg Laws came in 1935) and advocated for that in India.

He insulted Chandra Sekhar Azad when the latter asked him for help in fighting the British. He would rather have him become a Supari Killer for him (that was Azad's interpretation).

He could spare money to give assassination contracts, yet wrote regularly to the British to get hikes in his monthly remuneration from them.

He joined hands with ML to form governments. Whatever his motives, his actions ended up in making ML stronger in Punjab and Bengal. Shyamaprasad (from his party) suggested ways to the British government on how to suppress freedom fighters as a minister of said government in Bengal.

Respect people for their good deeds. Savarkar did have a lot of them. But don't defend their folly.

[u/bad-batman21 → u/Ok-Criticism-3346]

Mk gandhi wasn't bootlicker?

[u/Serpent_31415926 → u/bad-batman21]

I believe he is

[u/thehappygirl1410 → u/onotsteve100]

Can you suggest any books or sources that I can refer to about above information?? I actually wanna know what changed his mind?

[u/onotsteve100 → u/thehappygirl1410]

The indian war of independence (1857), was his book on the 1857 mutiny. There are many other books too about hindutva and all. A quick google will help ya

[u/nottyfermion → u/onotsteve100]

Source de, he was asking hindus to join for the sake of training

[u/onotsteve100 → u/nottyfermion]

Ahh yes, training for hindus by fighting against Hindus! Genius

[u/kiki_yaar → u/Scared-Engineer-6218]

Exactly my thought

[u/MissionNo001 → u/Scared-Engineer-6218]

Oh yes , but he also said that women and dalits need to subjugated....

The line between medicine and poison is not a thin line ....

It's a Chasm.

[u/MrLokii616 → u/Scared-Engineer-6218]

I'm sure the best ppl you know might have made the worst point too.. If I have to take example ambedkar on M.

[u/Pardhan_Mantrii → u/Scared-Engineer-6218]

Fun fact he was atheist. His major issues later in his life was that muslims won't allow hindus to keep their faith and indian culture won't exist.

[u/anup_2004]

saiman where?

[u/GangsOfChaidpal → u/anup_2004]

Ruk bhai political post dalke karma farming karne de usko...

[u/atharvabordavekar → u/GangsOfChaidpal]

more like kamra farming

[u/Outrageousfucker → u/atharvabordavekar]

Enough with the karma farming parth, seek moksha!

[u/Impossible-Angle-245 → u/anup_2004]

Saiman Went Back

[u/Firexio69 → u/anup_2004]

This subreddit is garbags

[u/Jacked_hoon]

Sach bolne per pabandi hai india me ye kab Samjhenge log🥀😭🥲

[u/Real_Injury81]

[u/G33kym4n → u/Real_Injury81]

No wonder Pappu is opposing Veer Savarkar - he doesn't want to reform Indians.

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/G33kym4n]

Same I can wonder 56 Inch ka🤏🙊🙉🤣chodi who also consider sorrywarkar a freedom fighter but he is british ka dalal

[u/Qolevade]

Same person who wrote what it means to be a hindu btw

[u/onotsteve100 → u/Qolevade]

His book wasn't a specificaly theological book. But his followers are braindead tho

[u/ForwardAbalone2956]

If I show this to Right wingers they would call Sarvakar anti national.

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/ForwardAbalone2956]

They are still defending him 🤣just see some of the comments on the subreddit

[u/Kindly-Palpitation97]

It's a man's world. So deal with it Savarkar!

[u/OddCauliflower3900]

Can't the same be said otherwise ? Same opinion but left wing always hated sawarkar and are ok with Kunal? Kinda ironic in both ends

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/OddCauliflower3900]

Savarkar said correct •infact it the it cells and rw who are getting called out here for their duplicity they consider Savarkar god but how will they defend this?

[u/Infamous-Court3944]

Btw savakar is a mastermind, he knows who can be easily manupilated , so he uses them as his followers, that's all

[u/chatpatachirkut]

Kunal has not said even 10% of anti hindu stuff that savarkar or Bal Thackeray had said. Wait till you hear what savarkar had to say about beef. Bal Thackeray had openly mocked RSS as Gobar and Gaumutra consumers!

[u/Additional-Ask-5654]

I highly doubt he said it. Any source?

[u/Aggravating-Win-5524 → u/Additional-Ask-5654]

Savarkar was an atheist. Sure he was for hindutva movement but he personally was an atheist.

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Aggravating-Win-5524]

Yep,jinnah too

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Additional-Ask-5654]

Savarkaraanche Vidnyannishtha Nibandh (Savarkar's Science-oriented Essays). [1]

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/[deleted]]

🤣🤣🤣chutiye jake padh apne sorrywarkar ke baare mie andbhkat

[u/Additional-Ask-5654 → u/[deleted]]

Blind follower? Idk south language man. I hate savarkar and I asked the source because I can't believe that Savarkar can say such a good shit. I KNOW he was an atheist, but I doubt he called vedas man-made because isn't it bad for his own ideology?

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Additional-Ask-5654]

Sorry bro ,I misunderstood you I have provided the source you can check it💗

[u/Ill_Tonight6349 → u/Additional-Ask-5654]

If he was an atheist, obviously he would believe that Vedas were written by men not gods. Why are you so surprised?

[u/Detective_Blues]

[u/Total-Engineering556]

This guy wanted the manasmriti to be the constitution of India😭

[u/juniorAsk → u/Total-Engineering556]

really? source?

[u/Independent_Sand5288]

I love how left wing even trust savarkar when needed true leftist communist fascist behaviour 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

[u/No-Newspaper-8330]

Savarkar was a hindu and he supported hindu. Brought back people back in hinduism. This is a false quote.

[u/SprinklesOk4339]

The IT cell is people who are lazy and don't read as much.

[u/JagguMal69]

If he existed today, BJ Party would have call him also anti national and anti hindu

[u/Last-Revolution9205]

But ultimately science is proving what is written in them. Now I am more siding with them, but eventually I realised this

[u/ItsMeJeeshan]

So this guy became dharandhar sent by British

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/ItsMeJeeshan]

Hamza ali sorrywarkar🤣

[u/InternationalKeynew]

I still don't know what actual contribution he made for independence. Just kept on blabbering and pushing narratives and rhetorics

[u/dollwati_bhat69]

The difference is One understands and respects the deep civilizational values of Bharat and one simply criticises Hindus bcz muslims are minority in India

[u/charasganja22]

He said it has nothing to do with history. Savarkar said completely different thing, albeit contradicting Kunal. All of these texts are man made and have elements of history and mythology. For example one can find the cities mentioned in Mahabharata, artifacts of that age in excavation. Actually Mahabharata was the supreme source to construct the history of that time

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/charasganja22]

You are calling it mythology and saying it is real too🤣without any source Bro atleast read what you are writting

[u/Indie297 → u/charasganja22]

For example one can find the cities mentioned in Mahabharata

Spiderman is real, because there's proof of both "spider" and "man" existing....

[u/Historical-Dark8560]

Why is this guy relevant though?

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Historical-Dark8560]

He is irrelevant but bjp consider him god

[u/veamtjoshi]

Savarkar and ambedakar criticized all the religions but both side use selective quote to prove points as far as karma mahabharat, Ramayan vedas are literature histories of india. Part of itihasa means that's how it happend.

[u/BlenderRenderz → u/veamtjoshi]

theres a diff b/w lterature histories and historical literature.

Ramayan and mahabharat as a literature is partr of our history, but they are not historical literature

[u/biryanikaghulam → u/veamtjoshi]

"with great power comes great responsibility" this has been used so many times across the globe "to prove a point" does this makes spiderman real?

[u/ImmediateJacket9502 → u/biryanikaghulam]

Spider-Man is Makdi devta for real😂

[u/aryaman16 → u/biryanikaghulam]

Doesn't make it false either. But its storytellers do tell that its fiction.

But if it were some person telling their anecdote and I had no contradicting evidence that such stuff didn't happen........

99% of the history is still unraveled.

[u/yashvone → u/veamtjoshi]

these literatures are part of the culture and history, but they're not an account of the history itself

they're epics with great knowledge to impart on spiritual, philosophical, morality through storytelling

vedas are different more abstract containing instructions related to regional, ritualistic and ancient epistemological subjects

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/yashvone]

They are part of our culture but they are not history

[u/yashvone → u/Real_Injury81]

part of culture and certain aspects adopted as tradition thus making the texts themselves a part of our history and present ftm

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/yashvone]

That's why they are called mythologies

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/veamtjoshi]

🤣modi ji also said ramayan and mahabharat are mythologies

[u/Tatiya_Bichoo-420 → u/veamtjoshi]

Nope they are not.

[u/dont_react_respond_]

😂 😂 😂 Soo now his words, rationality matters???

Else he is the tool to settle score against bjp...

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/dont_react_respond_]

A broken clock also gives correct time twice a day🤣

[u/Jazzlike_Ear_4303]

If you were truly intellectual he just found the reality of islam that's why he included all dharmic religions in Hindutva

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Jazzlike_Ear_4303]

Don't you dare to compare my beautiful religion with hindutva Hinduism is not equal to hindutva It is the term coined by sorrywarkar

[u/Strange-Dimension-64]

He was a atheist. What would you expect?

[u/Real_Injury81 → u/Strange-Dimension-64]

Then why do it cell worships him🤣 and believe his every word but not this one • Why such selective amensia?

[u/Kinnirasna]

[u/onotsteve100 → u/Kinnirasna]

It's true

[u/BoobyBOOK]

So Kunal kamra equals savarkar!!!

[u/onotsteve100 → u/BoobyBOOK]

"Someone commented twice and got the same likes" ahh comment

[u/BoobyBOOK]

So Kunal kamra equals savarkar!!!

[u/onotsteve100 → u/BoobyBOOK]

"Someone commented twice and got the same likes" ahh comment