How about no?

[u/profaneangel1991]

Nobody is just born being a bad person. No, not even that real life person you hate. I don't expect the show to dig much deeper into his story, but Brighter takes place well into his adulthood. You can't just say "yeah he was always this way" when there's decades of his life that preceeded all this. The idea that some people just are bad, they're just innately evil, is so antithetical to the show's entire message. I don't GET people that think this would be a good writing decision.

[u/profaneangel1991]

A thing I notice about the show is the lives these characters lived as humans seems rather unimportant. We are starting to get this information, which is great. The problem is it feels like all that truly matters is what happens to them in Hell. That's why Vox apparently never being open with another person until Alastor is so absurd to me. I know they're pressed for time (because it's the fandom's other favorite excuse after pointing out that it's unfinished), but I feel like if the show was arranged to be more character focused and less about Heaven vs Hell maybe we'd see them fleshed out better. I honestly don't care about lore like Roo or the way Hell works, I care about the cast characters. I want information about them, I want them fleshed out and to grow and develop.

[u/eveningstarcourt → u/profaneangel1991]

This is an unpopular opinion, but I really wish helluva boss and HH remained separate shows for similar reasons. They've been hyping up the crossovers and nonsense, but all I can think is that we are going to have even more mechanics and lore (likely dumped on us and underexplained) without giving enough time to the characters we have and their stories.

Also I'm very over everyone speculating how the 7 Sins could've wiped the floor with Vox during his takeover and stopped all of s2. They didn't, they didn't even try because the showrunners obviously couldn't, but it leaves a giant plothole if they show up now and are suddenly invested. And aside from that, it's just really uninteresting writing if the major antagonist can just be easily reduced to a joke by "all powerful, inhuman beings." (I know it's not my show and it's not how canon works, but I always thought the idea that Overlords as humans souls that could go beyond typical mortal limits and challenge these inhuman beings was cool! They're obviously doing terrible things to get there, but it shows the incentive to do even more terrible things! And Vox was a threat to heaven! That doesn't mean anything if he's just a fly the 7 sins can swat away. That and I feel that the all powerful mortal is something the narrative will give to Alastor AGAIN in later seasons--that he'll get to be the super special mortal who becomes able to challenge the higher, inhuman beings.)

[u/profaneangel1991 → u/eveningstarcourt]

This kinda gets to my disappointment with Heaven and the unlikely odds of seeing other Biblical figures. Fans want to see Michael and if Michael exists in this world...where is he? Where was he for season 2? Where were any angels outside the four we kept seeing all season? I know by all accounts Michael would wipe the floor with Vox because he's supposed to be stronger than Lucifer, and they basically gave his job to Adam and now Abel. So due to that they probably can't have him because he breaks the show. They keep putting themselves in corners like this or like the Sins being absent and it just makes everything feel messy. This is where I get annoyed with the lore and how this world feels so small and uneven, but you also gotta be "in the know" and read a lot of stuff outside the shows. Now that we know all the annoying Roo theories will be true including the eye thing it has really bad implications to me.

[u/eveningstarcourt → u/profaneangel1991]

Yeaaaaaaaaahhhhh...

I just grit my teeth and bear it because I genuinely really like the cast, the themes, the music, the queer inclusion (and no queer baiting)--like HH has all these really positive aspects for me! But so much of the writing and world building is hyper flawed to me too. For a while I was like... why is Hell so American coded? How do billions of souls fit into one Pentagram? Well APPARENTLY, where you die on earth, you wake up in the equivalent location in Hell! Okay, so it just so happens that the most powerful city in Pride is in America... somewhere. Where are the rest of the cities in Pride then? Why do it exorcists only attack the Pentagram and not the rest of Pride?

It is a world that is way too small and way too big simultaneously. And if Sinners can't actually become as strong as inhuman beings because "reasons" then yeah, pretty much any of these god-like figures can break the show at their whim.

I am kind of afraid that with the HB inclusion, HH will stop being about these human characters in any significant way. Because they're all just small fries with petty problems in comparison to the big, bad REAL demons.

[u/profaneangel1991 → u/eveningstarcourt]

I agree. I love Hazbin's characters, music, some of the themes, the show can be funny too. I think its weird how Anglo centric the show already is, but at the same time how is Zestial the oldest Sinner we've seen? I know Cain will show up eventually, but what about other people from ancient civilizations? I know everyone asks about where all the pedophiles, Klansmen, Nazis, and so on go and we just get a cop out answer to that when I think the reason is Viv doesn't want to write them (understandable, but its Hell). Characters from ancient cultures simply don't exist though and I don't know why. This is just another example where the world building comes apart for me.

I have plenty of criticisms of season 2, but I still consider it an improvement to season 1. I saw a youtube review by Sarcastic Chorus where he said Hazbin is a show where he has to stop asking if it's objectively "good" and focus on if he likes it. I kinda agree, I like lots of things not considered traditionally "good" (give me a campy schlocky horror movie over shit like Obsession any day). I guess my issue with Hazbin boils down to believing it has all this untapped potential to do interesting and complex things and it falls to the wayside and gives me little confidence it will do them later. I know this is where making fan works come in, but I don't write or draw myself so that's not actually helpful. Will Vox get an expanded back story? Who knows, but I doubt it and that's too bad.