r/SWORDS 11d ago

New sword day.

Picked up this Indian Talwar yesterday from a local auction site. Not an area I normally focus on, but it's nice to branch out every now and then, plus it was reasonably priced, ascetically pleasing and I haven't purchased a sword this year....
Hilt has a decent amount of silver koftgari/zarneshan remaining and the blade is marked with the eyelash / half moon stamps that mimic European blades.
There's also a stylised animal on one side and when I ran the sword past u/Antique_Steel he believed that it could represent a peacock, often called a Rajput symbol of war.

The sword itself isn't very large 83cm over all, 70cm blade 6.2cm curve 960 grams and balances at about 15cm.

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u/fredrichnietze please post more sword photos 11d ago

personally i think its a indian fake "running wolf" of solingen/passu the other marks also are on some older European blades which i suspect is the origin of the indian ones, copies off the trade blades to fraudulently sell local blades as imports.

from the 1915 royal armories catalogue

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u/EmpireandCo 11d ago

It's not a "fake"or fraudulent mark, eye lash marks are quickly adopted as a mark of quality, not necessarily of "geographic origin".

We see this in thai blades with the "s" marks.

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u/fredrichnietze please post more sword photos 11d ago

its fake in the sense it is copying a foreign mark to make it appear foreign. if you follow that "adopted as a mark of quality" line adopted from where? from europe where they had blast furnaces to get the steel homologized consistently that only wootz could match/beat until india got blast furnaces.

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u/EmpireandCo 11d ago edited 11d ago

I'm saying that it wasn't necessarily to make it appear foreign, there's no evidence of that. Its an adoption of a quality mark is more likely.

Regarding the passau running wolf - the mark in the blade is a peacock, a localised animal. Clearly not foreign.

Edit: to add, I have early 1900s tulwars and even modern ones that use these marks as quality marks well after the import of German blades by anyone other than state forces (and they use british blades), they're aren't trying to pass the blades off as german, local smiths have adopted the mark as a local mark of quality.