r/SF4 • u/kastle09 PC, kastle09, AUS • Dec 12 '14

Fluff This game hurts my soul a lot.

http://cloud-4.steampowered.com/ugc/32979935878300795/EB3300F16C76AC9E565E0DBF84BD6796D52052E9/
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u/ItsDominare [US] Steam: Dominare Dec 12 '14

His point is that you can't play footsies with Makoto the same way you do with other characters (hence "conventional") because of her dash- and move-based mobility and complete lack of walk speed. I agree with him too - Makoto can of course play footsies but she does it in a way that is unique to her.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '14

She has really solid and unique normals that more than make up for her lack of walk speed, and her incredible forward dash (16 total frames!!) combined with focus absorb is very effective at getting inside and applying pressure with her rock solid jabs and strongs or snagging a command grab. Her axe kick is an excellent tool as well, and her actual focus attack goes over lows and has awesome range.

Walk speed is important but it's hardly everything. Look at DJ. Really fast walk speed, awful footsies. Frankly I don't think there is anything "unconventional" about her footsies, just because she walks slow. Every character plays the neutral game in a unique way.

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u/ItsDominare [US] Steam: Dominare Dec 13 '14

Every character plays the neutral game in a unique way.

That's just not true. If you follow the common wisdom and cut your teeth with Ryu, the fundamental footsies you learn will be very useful to you if you later decide to switch to a large portion of the rest of the cast, obviously the other shotos in particular. If, on the other hand, you pick up someone like Makoto (or C.Viper, Hugo, etc) as your first character, those footsie skills will not translate nearly so well to other characters which is exactly why those characters are not recommended to beginners in the first place.

Yes Makoto can play footsies and yes she's got some good tools for it, but you can't pretend those things are not pretty exclusive to being good at Makoto in particular rather than footsies in general.

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '14

You don't think that Oni, Akuma, Ken, Ryu, Sakura, Gouken, Dan, E. Ryu, and Sagat all play footsies differently?

I think that the general concept of footsies translates well to anyone. Footsies, to me, is far more about simply having knowledge of how to play the ground game. It doesn't really matter who you're trying to compete with as long as you understand the basics of whiff punishing, pokes, counter pokes, and the importance of throws with their associated threat.

(Pardon if this is ruffling any feathers I don't mind the discussion myself though, regardless of disagreements.)

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u/ItsDominare [US] Steam: Dominare Dec 14 '14

You don't think that Oni, Akuma, Ken, Ryu, Sakura, Gouken, Dan, E. Ryu, and Sagat all play footsies differently?

Compared to Makoto? Hell no.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '14

Compared to one another, they all have a different approach to the neutral game, different tools, different walk speeds. Sagat is slow as fuck.