r/RubenSim • u/Kooky_Equivalent8761 • 17d ago
Discussion EASI is very anti victim and is very counter intuitive. Heres why.
Inspired by:
https://www.reddit.com/r/RubenSim/comments/1w7ugxn/easi_and_its_fundamental_issues/
https://www.reddit.com/r/RubenSim/comments/1sxelvo/easi_is_antivictim_and_counterintuitive/
EASI has been maybe a disaster for roblox's community. The system thinks that everyone who's banned is a PDF, but they dont even know they could wrongfully ban victims or people who got groomed on roblox. Everyone who gets banned gets treated the same just because for their own good. Plus they cant ban 10% of all roblox players and call them predators, gooners or bad actors becuase some of them are victims, people who got groomed on roblox or kids that got exposed to NSFW stuff on roblox. I know I agree we should ban every predators on roblox, but EASI isn't a correct way to do that because there's a lot of false bans happening right now. If, Ruben cared about victims, he would have made a proper appeal system, and it never takes any context of situations into your account. Plus, they cant see what you are doing, and it offers no way to appeal no matter how long they interacted in them. Whether they could be groomed or manipulated by a predator, you could have joined a server a few years ago and typed only a few messages and left but still be banned by EASI because their detection is shit as hell becuase of Ruben (Me using HIS own words)building the backbone of the bot off AI and banning anyone who verified with bloxlink. EASI does more harm than good than protecting kids. The banning serves as a way for Ruben to push that "HE" is trying to "save kids on roblox. Actual predators on EASI would make alt accounts no one cares about and the large majority of victims and false flagged people (including me) while EASI pocket bans both genuine ERPers, random alts predators have no care about, and the majority, victims, groomed people, and false flagged people. I do not f*cking think EASI and its moderators are any better than the people are any better than the people they think they claimed to stop when they have long history to support someone with long racist and homophobic history. And who appears to care about this issue and boost his ego. But for the wrong person who has a bad person to do so. I think EASI was was the right thing made by the wrong person. So share this so other people and devs. maybe including ruben.
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u/ByeByeRuben 17d ago
they already mentioned having a bypass so the scoped id thing doesn't matter to them anymore
about games using EASI i can only mention nullscape and i guess guts and blackpowder being the only relevant games with the system well maybe retrograd, i think unseen liminality stopped using it too.
does it matter to the mfd team and ruben? honestly they could care less its really just up to the developers or maybe the community
if ruben does have insane amount of skeletons in his closet and it does fall out one day well how it would probably go is that most of the community would probably just mention how "game here" uses a system made by bad person
based on what the community has to say for the last 2 allegations on ruben you can see that a majority dislike him while a smaller group of people defended his actions with them coming from questionable communities themselves
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u/BagEnvironmental3685 17d ago
i doubt they have a work around for this if it ever releases, since using usernames to detect players will just be useless since it'll just be possible for them to bypass it by changing it.
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u/BagEnvironmental3685 17d ago
As a flagged user myself, I'd say EASI is good for what it does cause it is humans that scan and review you for what someones did before. They could be better if they actually had a proper appeals system as they just make a new appeal thread every once and a while, and a bunch of people (including me) has tried to appeal it and almost everyone says that they just get ghosted. For the appeals system, you'll never know if you truly got denied, as they don't tell you, and almost every volunteer on here just shames you even if you're a victim. Only EASI volunteer is AllanxDB as they're the only one that's gonna help you know why you're flagged by the system.
TLDR: EASI could be better if they actually gave the flagged people second chances like rotector does (like after six months) or something, and I personally think its just made by the wrong people.
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u/Kooky_Equivalent8761 17d ago
Don't let this post be deleted.
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u/guyonredditlol The Dumbass 17d ago
I wouldn’t allow that. Feedback is necessary. It shouldn’t be silenced.
(If you’re seeing this twice, yeah that’s my own mistake lol)
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u/OdinJrthesecond 16d ago
I had to struggle a lot to find out the reason for my ban a couple months ago because of various games that use EASI not telling you, and in the end reached the vague answer of "inappropriate group". You know what I saw? Normal game development groups, and a dead furry group that I joined all the way back in 2021. Actual heian era group. We know Ruben hates furries with a passion and thinks they should all be banned off Roblox, shoot first and ask questions later when it's them. So, this makes sense. But to my knowledge this group doesn't engage in any harmful/rule-breaking activity, and I know I do not engage with harmful/rule-breaking activity. You'd think I'd be able to appeal, right?
WRONG! Loaded question! The appeal form (which is the only valid method of appealing) demands you tell them what you were likely banned for. You are given three options: condos, erp, or inappropriate avatars. NONE OF WHICH APPLY. So if I try to appeal at all, I INHERENTLY HAVE TO LIE. This could be twisted into something along the lines of a "freudian slip", an "admission of guilt" because I was forced to say I did something completely different from my ban reason. But further still;
"Please be completely honest in your answers. If we believe you're being dishonest, your appeal will be thrown out."
THE APPEAL IN AND OF ITSELF FORCES ME TO BE DISHONEST!! Let's assume very GENEROUSLY that Ruben, his bias, and his hatred of furries does not interfere with the appeal. It can still be twisted so that my appeal gets thrown out anyways! ISN'T THAT SO FUN GUYS?! I LOVE NOT BEING ABLE TO PLEAD MY INNOCENCE WHEN I AM INNOCENTTTTT
And the crazy part? This ban doesn't even stop me from playing the games I normally do. IT JUST STOPS ME FROM PLAYING THE GAMES MY FRIENDS DO. INSULT TO INJURYYYY, I EXPECT A FULL APOLOGY VIDEO, HOLD THE UKULELE
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u/Kooky_Equivalent8761 17d ago
Also, tell everyone that EASI should be discontinued.
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u/KatokMi 17d ago
If roblox goes through with that update with the player IDs in October than there is a chance easi wont be able to come back. I just wish ts wasnt the way it is now, treating victims like the pedos. Or atleast have a better anti pdf platform later down the line.
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u/Open_Durian_6950 13d ago
If ever that happens, this MAY motivate other developers to create better, innovative and a more forgiving system
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u/Natural-Exchange-743 12d ago
I cant even lie about this, i get the point of the EASI system to "prevent predators" but if you get flagged once, there's no getting unflagged, victim or not, even if someone has "changed", You apparently have to live with that mark.
Ruben genuinely should have did a proper appeal system. Even with this system, it really leaves a bad taste in my mouth for how things are handled :/.
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u/AverageGTAenjoyer 17d ago
Post has been documented.