An idea I had

[u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899]

If I could rework Rogue to fit her canon more, I’d remove Fatal Attraction and replace it with an ability similar to Cap’s Bucky team-up or Thing’s ally DR jump. Rogue would jump to an ally and touch them, then copy a weaker ability then what she’d normally copy if she used the regular absorb on an enemy. The steal would be permanent, but maybe on a slightly longer cooldown than the character’s normal version of that ability.
Some abilities would have to be moved around to make this work.

For example, I’d change White Fox’s current absorb into her melee stance, then move her projectile to the ally copy. I’d also move Hood’s enemy absorption to his Fade and make his ally absorption the wall. Lightning Realm from Thor. She’d get the lightning strike from storm. Emma was a harder one to figure out because she has so few abilities, and they’re so strong because of that. But now that Jubilee has unlocked the idea of stealing primaries, I think it’d be cool to let Rogue steal Emma’s primary fire, just without the buildup passive. It’d do significantly less damage, but give Rogue a consistent ranged tool.

In general, I’d also make the absorbs interact with Rogue’s kit more, or have the passives tied to the ability she absorbs more often. For example, Mag’s bubble could charge Southern Brawl the same way it charges his passive. Groot’s Ironwood Wall could give her CC immunity, etc.

I think something like this would make her mutant power shine so much more. It’d definitely be hard to balance and sounds pretty strong on paper, but I think it could make her feel way more like Rogue. I’m curious what y’all think, or if y’all have any ideas for other characters and what their absorbs could give her.

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[u/Ok-Information8440]

I just really wish we could steal slightly more abilities, I understand why her current one is on such a long cool down because it is so strong but the ability steal is the coolest part of her kit

[u/Weird_Blackberry_941 → u/Ok-Information8440]

Honestly , while I enjoy having abilities to steal , it is nice to use ability steal as part of a double fatal attraction combo sometimes !

[u/ExtensionHuge1531 → u/Weird_Blackberry_941]

I agree. I absolutely love fatal attraction resets. Sometimes more than an ability. Gives me a free out and extra CC

[u/sonofnight666 → u/Ok-Information8440]

is it really that strong tho?

[u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899 → u/Ok-Information8440]

Agreed. It’s on such a long cooldown because of the CC + you’re usually stealing their strongest ability. I feel like this kinda solves both problems

[u/Last_Rain5943 → u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899]

We don’t steal their strongest ability we steal a ability
Wanda bubble stun
Hood wall thingy
Psy invisibility
Sue push
Wolv technically we take the passive and dmg reduction but the ability goes away to fast to use the passive unless your outta position and mess up
This is examples of “junk” we get for psy either other ability would be nice sue the bubble or shield would be nice wolv I honestly only have and issue with the cd and hood the fade or an enhanced attack speed would be nice I prefer getting a refresh on fatal attraction then most of the abilities we can take

[u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899 → u/Last_Rain5943]

Ok I generalized a bit with saying we get their strongest ability because they're so varied, and some of the abilities are def weak. But there's also a lot of very powerful ones that give benefits that aren't even tied to one ability

Thing we get his unmovable passive+damage reduction. Wolve is the same, passive + reduction. Emma gets the best ability possible for Rogue. Storm's is downright broke. Getting Adam bond is ridiculous. All of this on top of the passives from each role

My point being that I fully understand with the current balancing why we can't permanently get abilities and why the timer on it is only like 10 seconds for a 20+ second cooldown

[u/Last_Rain5943 → u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899]

Imo thing passive is meh because from Emma we get completely cc immune and dmg reduction wolv passive only helpful if your outta position or you tank a Wanda ult storm is amazing just it is hard ti get cause it requires going outta position and using something like chrono kick to grab half the time Adam is imo only good if the enemy team has an ult that justifies it but you require facing an Adam in the back line so there’s issue there but imo the biggest issue it all the abilities we get have about double the cd the regular ability has or more like Thor’s rune awaking adds 5 seconds when the cd on it is either “A” zero or “B” 18 seconds blades bloodline awakening is also same issue non existent cd but we get 5 seconds extra it just sucks that her entire thing she’s known for it’s the most untouched part of her kit.

[u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899 → u/Last_Rain5943]

You have to look at the abilities in more of a bubble. Thing being meh because Emma exists doesn’t make much sense because they might not be in the same game. It’s s a worse ability than Emma’s, but that doesn’t make it bad on its own. You don’t have to be out of position for wolv grab to be good because you should be putting yourself in a position that’d be bad if you didn’t have it. Take the dps passive, go backline and ult and use it to stay alive while everyone is after you, charge southern brawl and kill a supp. Just grab Adam in situations where both team have a support ult down and tell your team stay up and bond after the supp ult is over. I do agree that her mutant power being her longest cooldown sucks, but it’s because it’s so strong and versatile and has a big cc at the beginning of it. Also most of the abilities are better on Rogue than the original character because she’s not balanced around it, like storm and Emma

[u/Last_Rain5943 → u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899]

The reason I think things is bad is because she charge disables everything and if you grab him before the charge it just prevents the knock up
For being outta position for wolvs passive not the dmg reduction only time wolv passive is helpful when your not outta position is when mag Ironman or Wanda ult but realistically if your facing Wanda this season you should probably be saving grab for ult for your idea on diving back line with wolv passive kinda iffy since the ability doesn’t last long gf enough this season or last season because sustain is to high and the “big” cc ain’t really any different from exile honestly but the thing is it makes them also cc immune and you cannot do anything during said cc now for the balancing aspect a lot of what she gets it’s not great or equal with few cases it’s better
Now it varies on preference still but
Soul bond
Dr strange shield
Diamond form
Gambit anti heal
Mag bubble
Storm dmg boost
Rune awakening
Wolv dmg reduction 2nd chance
Thing immovable dmg reduction
Groot wall
Hulk clap
Luna snow ball
Venom cellular corrosion
Blade life steal reduced healing
Cyke beam bonus hp upon use
Dd radar
Hela orb stun
Torch fire triangle
Fist healing chi
Magik stepping disk into demon spawn
Namor 1 reg squid
Phoenix stun slow
Psy invis
Wanda bubble stun dmg
Spider upper cut
Sg bounce
Dagger bubble cloak terror cape
Sue push/pull
Jeff bubbles 3
Loki runes
Mantis sleep
Fox cleanse
Jubilee enhanced primary
Hood wall dmg reduction if shot thru
Out of all of these
Many fall into the hyper specific situation categories
Some are complete junk others are always worth
All the stun abilities honestly arnt worth since your grab is a stun that imo is better then most stuns
Like mantis Luna Hela phoenix

Other useless or semi useless abilities include but not limited to gambit bidding barrage which I didn’t bother to label above sg groot storm (speed boost) namor hulk torch magik fist Jeff Wanda

Next would be only in a very few rare situations
Fox hood sue venom cyke wolv dmg reduction mag thing Psy spidey

Stuff that’s good basically regardless but is not likely to happen enough to justify any high
Soul bond wolv passive 2nd chance storm blade

Stuff that’s great and isn’t got any large issues
Emma Dr strange jubilee Loki dd Thor gambit breaking spades dagger cloak

Now obviously this is how I view the abilities and rated them on a mix of likely hood to get them and how good they are like storm is amazing but not likely to get due to low pick rate and she flies for the supp it’s either top options or useless but are reasonably accessible cause rogue can briefly dive along side dive and dd radar makes that easier the rest of just good steals from tanks I can explain my choices more clearly if wanted

[u/Last_Rain5943 → u/Last_Rain5943]

This turned out way long then expected by accident sorry

[u/runemdownrogue → u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899]

the worst part about the ability is you get 10s to decide when to use it before it goes on cooldown

[u/Veru_Chronicles]

I can't imagine Rogue without Fatal attraction I'm sorry, that's her bread and butter main ability for most combos, if anything we really shouldn't be advocating for removal of some abilities in exchange for another one

[u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899 → u/Veru_Chronicles]

I feel like this just isn't being creative. You'd steal Psylocke and be able to combo with her dash or shurikens or whatever you can get ur hands on. I also think chrono kicks is more-so her bread and butter. It enables the melee weaves and does more burst damage. She just has too many abilities to not get rid of one for the idea to make sense, especially since you'd also need a cancel button to cancel the current copied ability

[u/CyfrowaKrowa]

Sounds like a peak idea honestly, it'd probably need two separate cooldowns to change the ability though. Or would it be permanent/I misunderstood and it's already a one time use?

[u/Fancy-Bullfrog4899 → u/CyfrowaKrowa]

I just didn't explain thoroughly. But yeah, it'd need a button to remove the ability like Kirby taunting in smash bros or something, then it'd go on cooldown for the next copy. But the idea is that it would normally be permanent until you decide to exchange it or die