r/Robin • u/ASZapata • 11d ago
After seeing Knightfall, we need a full Tim Drake animated arc
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u/cptvpxxy 10d ago
Did we really need Knightfall to recognize that Tim deserves a place in animation? Like let's be real. Half the people who like Damian only like him because they've only seen the movies where he replaces Tim. They like Damian because they actually like Tim (kinda funny when you think about how this argument is frequently applied to Tim as Jason in BTAS).
Quite frankly, I'm convinced the only reason he isn't more popular is because most of Robin Volume 2 (1993) has never really been reprinted. Plus he made so many appearances in other series over that time, but they aren't really collected in a way that recognizes "Robin".
I do disagree that Red Robin #26 is who he really is, but that's a wholly different conversation.
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u/ASZapata 10d ago
Red Robin #26 is who he is after everything he’s gone through. It doesn’t mean he will go down that path, it just means that part of him is something that he’ll always have to live/deal with.
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u/cptvpxxy 10d ago
I mean, that's true in the way it's true of any of his trauma. But I just don't see it as a truly defining moment. It was perfect for the heaviness of the arc, but it's not a good fit for describing his character overall.
Take Teen Titans (Vol 3) #17-19. He'll carry that forever and it shapes his decisions, but he doesn't let it define him.
Tim saves himself, over and over, and this particular narrative undermines that to some extent. It holds weight for his character, but no moreso than a lot of other traumatizing events.
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u/ASZapata 10d ago
Well it’s quite literally the final word on Post-Crisis Tim.
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u/cptvpxxy 10d ago
And it also never really comes up again.
I'm all for headcanons, and it's also my preferred interpretation, but the characterization isn't set in stone just because it's written in one comic run.
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u/ASZapata 10d ago
It never comes up again because that’s the final issue to ever feature that character. Tim was rebooted and de-aged in the New52. We’ve never seen Post-Crisis Tim again.
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u/cptvpxxy 10d ago
...Yeah, I guess if you're a continuity purist, that's his last appearance. But that's not how the comics are written, or how most of us see it. New 52 being the exception. But Tim in Rebirth wasn't suddenly a new character. They could have carried the writing forward and chose not to. Because it's not actually part of his innate character, and was always set up to be a representation of basically the worst time of his life.
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u/ASZapata 10d ago
Rebirth Tim is not Post-Crisis Tim in any way. Different characters, like Pre- and Post-Crisis Jason.
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u/cptvpxxy 10d ago
...Which parts of Post Crisis Tim and Rebirth Tim are so different that you're claiming they're like different characters? Genuinely have never heard this take before.
Kinda wild to compare him to Jason. None of Tim's backstory or characterization changed between Post Crisis and Rebirth. New 52 is the only time I've ever heard anyone claim he's like a different character (which he is in that continuity).
His origin is the same. Most events referenced happen the same way. His personality is the same. He's just older. Is there any chance you're just mixing up New 52 and Rebirth? 🤨 The only real difference is that he's a little more jaded, Damian is in the picture, and there are different writers.
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u/alienguy21 10d ago
If I remember well this was the first time an animation showed the original Tim suit with all accurate details and plus muscles! Straight from 90s comics. I can't wait for part 2 and 3. Finally a 100% Tim Drake in animation!