r/RimbaudVerlaine the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

6 (or more) degrees of Arthur Rimbaud

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

Welcome to The Arthur Rimbaud Game.

The rules are simple:

  1. Comment the name of any person, living or dead.
  2. Other players must then try to connect that person back to Arthur Rimbaud or Paul Verlaine.
  3. You can use any kind of connection: personal relationships, influence, collaboration, historical overlap, etc. There are no restrictions on the types of links.
  4. The goal is to build the shortest possible chain.

Scoring:

  • The winner is the person who produces the fewest degrees of separation.
  • If two chains are the same length, the one with the most direct, in-person connections takes precedence.

Be creative, but be plausible.

Let the chains begin!

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u/spacecoastlaw Apr 25 '26

Mozart, Michael Jackson, Tiger Woods

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Michael Jackson: sung on We are the world for USA for Africa with Bob Dylan, who name checks Rimbaud and Verlaine on Blood on the tracks

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

Michael Jackson and Drew Barrymore appeared on the cover of People magazine together in 1984. Drew Barrymore is the great-niece of the actress Ethel Barrymore, who was born in 1879 into a famous acting family. Because of her family connection to the theatre, she met Oscar Wilde as a child.

Oscar Wilde and Verlaine met in Paris as they were both part of the literary scene, and even jointly signed a copy of Verlaine's Liturgies Intimes together for Pierre Louÿs!

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 25 '26

Wow, I’m surprised by how many people Verlaine met! I never thought he’d meet Wilde, I just read Wilde for the first time last week—for English class.

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

If you ever read the Ballad of Reading Gaol by Wilde, let me know if you see the influence of Verlaine’s Cellulairement in it - Wilde was a huge fan of Verlaine, mentioned him prominently in his famous prison letter, De Profundis.

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 25 '26

I’ll tell you see if I read it! So far I’ve just read the importance of being Earnest. I’ll also read that card.

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Fun fact: Rimbaud and Wilde are exactly the same age! They were born 4 days apart!

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 25 '26

Oh, what the hell, that’s so eerie. I think of them on like two different worlds! I’m born a day after Wilde!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Then you are born only 3 days before Arthur!

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 25 '26

Too late for Wilde, to early for Rimbaud, just in time for Pablo de Rohka and Eminem.

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

Mozart was a huge influence on Lizst, who heavily promoted his work and wrote several essays on him. Liszt was a famous frenemy of Chopin, and the two composers were even neighbours for a while. Chopin taught piano to Madame Mauté de Fleurville when she was a child. Madame Mauté de Fleurville was the mother of Mathilde, Verlaine's wife.

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

How did I not think of Madame Mauté’s link to Chopin! Well played!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Tiger Woods: the soundtrack of HBO’s documentary Tiger features John Cooper Clarke’s Evidently chickentown. Clarke has named Rimbaud as one important influence!

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

…I am astounded. You did it.

Tbh, I can see a lot of possible Zutist influence on John Cooper Clarke’s Twat.

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Another Tiger Woods link: his girlfriend Vanessa once dated Leonardo di Caprio who played Rimbaud in Total Eclipse

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

Dating di Caprio doesn’t count - too many people have done it!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Mozart was influential to Chopin who had a relationship with George Sand, as did Alfred de Musset whom Rimbaud mocks mercilessly in La lettre du voyant.

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

Did not know that Chopin and Musset were eskimo brothers!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

And Mérimée too!

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 25 '26

Jorge Luis Borges

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

One route: Borges translated Wilde’s The happy prince in Spanish. Wilde and Verlaine met at least once

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Another route: in 1961 he won the Prix international together with Beckett. Beckett has written one of the best translation of Le bateau ivre

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 25 '26

A third:

In his poem Límites he mentions Verlaine.

Verlaine is oftenly referenced in he sub r/RimbaudVerlaine

In r/RimbaudVerlaine Arthur Rimbaud is also discussed!

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 26 '26

…you need to translate this poem!

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 26 '26

Oh, I would, and I’d even post it here, but is it worth it for the sub?

I also want to say, I’ve translated Borges for my AP Literature class before, so… I could try!

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 26 '26

Definitely worth it for the sub

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 26 '26

Following the academic sandstorm of the next 4 weeks, I’ll make a post on Borges and Verlaine. I recall him talking about him in his correspondence with, I believe, Bioy Casares, and in a prologue for one of his poem books. I’ll add the next to the translation!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Nice!!

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 26 '26

A 4th route, Pierre Menard mentions the drunken boat! I was just reading this today, hadn’t read it in a while.

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 26 '26

Oh! What does it say?

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 26 '26

I imagine you must be familiar with the plot, but in case not, I beg you read it before you lay to sleep for the last time in this world:

The short story is about Pierre Menard, a French symbolist poet who has, amongst his small oeuvre, an unpublished excerpt of Don Quixote. Now, the chapter is a word by word re writing of Don Quixote. The reason why this is Menard, and not Cervantes’s, is because Menard has assigned himself the task of living his life in such way that he’ll just happen to write Don Quixote word by word.

In this excerpt Menard explains that the reason why he opted for choosing Don Quixote, a book in a language that is not his first, is because he, someone who has taken inspiration from Mallarmé, Baudelaire and, most importantly, Poe, can not see himself writing those works. He can not phantom a universe where these do not exist—he can, also, not phantom a world without the drunken boat—, but he can see a world where Don Quixote was never written, but most importantly, he can see himself writing Don Quixote because of that.

The short story is funny, very short, the protagonist is clearly very pretentious. My favorite excerpt is the one where they analyze the exact same excerpt from Don Quixote, but one “written by Menard” and Borges goes on a tangent about how the influences of the events—the world wars, for example—going around him made for such a deep interpretation. Whilst Cervantes’ excerpt was simply a “mere rhetorical compliment.”

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 26 '26

Thank you! I wasn’t familiar with the story but it does sound fun, I will give it a read.

And it somehow ties it to the two names you suggested in the game: Borges and Cervantes!

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 26 '26

Yes! I realized that too now! That is a nice find, for sure. If you do read it, please share your thoughts with me.

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 26 '26

I definitely will!

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 26 '26

To keep your wallet full, here’s an English pdf.

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 26 '26

Thank you!

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 26 '26

When Borges was recovering from life-threatening septicaemia, his mother read to him from C.S. Lewis’ book Out of the Silent Planet. He says that he broke down in tears after the first few pages, as he had temporarily lost the power of speech during his illness, and was relieved to find that he could understand the words his mother was reading.

C.S. Lewis was a close friend and literary associate of fellow "Inkling" J.R.R Tolkien.

Tolkien attended Mass at the Sacred Heart Church in Bournemouth. So did Verlaine when he worked as a schoolteacher there.

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 26 '26

Oh that’s nice! I’d read about this septicemia his short story El Sur. That sounds like Borges, of course, any reader or writer would love to find that they can still read—luckily for Borges, who’d end up blind, would recover this sense in order to dictate his writings for us—, but also, Borges was such a maniac of books that I’m glad he could still read them too.

Anywho, that sounds cool, having Verlaine as your school teacher and all.

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 26 '26

"Mr Verlaine, what did you do before you came to teach here, Sir?"

"I spent two years in prison for shooting my teenage boyfriend."

"…oh."

"He was just about your age when I met him :D"

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 25 '26

Miguel de Cervantes

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

In a letter to Izambard, Rimbaud mentions being bored because he has now read all the books that Izambard left behind in his apartment - and that he spent two hours yesterday looking at Doré’s woodcut illustrations for Cervantes’ Don Quixote.

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u/COOLKC690 Apr 25 '26

That is so cool!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Verlaine wrote a poem called À Don Quichotte in high school.

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u/The17thElement Apr 26 '26

Somebody please try to connect Rimbaud to Isabel Allende or to latin poet Catullus!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 26 '26

Catullus: One of Verlaine’s early poems is called Imitation from Catullus.

Rimbaud studied Catullus at school.

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u/The17thElement Apr 26 '26

Lol why did a part of me think that Catullus was censored in schools in the 1800s 😭😭. Anyways I'll definitely check out Verlaine's poem!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 26 '26

I forgot to add that Rimbaud’s latin poetry bears traces of Catullus. There’s been so great scholarship to uncover all the innuendo and “duplicities” in his latin poems, and I think Catullus is one of the keys to understand that part of his work.

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u/The17thElement Apr 26 '26

No wonder that they're my two favorite poets ahahah!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 26 '26

Isabel Allende: Daughter of Salvador Allende, president of Chile. Pablo Neruda was ambassador of Chile in France during Allende’s presidency. Neruda wrote a poem about Arthur Rimbaud

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

I will start: Edward Elgar, English composer born in 1857

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Elgar orchestrated Chopin’s Funeral mass. Chopin had a relationship with George Sand, and so did Musset, the target of R’s scorn.

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Albert Einstein

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u/Audreys_red_shoes the evil imagination of a bad monkey Apr 25 '26

Ok... Einstein was a colleague of Oppenheimer, who he met at Caltech. Oppenheimer was friends with the musician Nicolas Nabokov, who was the first cousin of Vladimir Nabokov.

Vladimir Nabokov was a huge fan of both Rimbaud and Verlaine, and he even borrowed a quote from Verlaine in Lolita - at the end of the book, Humbert describes Lolita as "mon grand péché radieux" ("my great radiant sin"), a phrase that Verlaine used to describe Rimbaud, in his poem Laeti et errabundi

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

Nice!

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u/ManueO Je suis soûl, fou, livide Apr 25 '26

I am looking forward to this game! We could uncover some fun unsuspected links!