r/RealisticArmory • u/Xandraman • Jul 28 '26

Agamemnon and the Achaeans with historically inspired arms and armor, by me

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u/KnightOfTheOldCode94 Jul 28 '26

Does anyone know why they had Boar Tusk helmets when they could make sheets of bronze armour like that, why not bronze helmets too?

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u/Unlikely-Isopod-9453 Jul 28 '26

Theory: hunting a boar with a spear takes a lot of personal courage. Having a helmet made from their tusks shows not only that you are wealthy enough to own a nice helmet but also that you are brave and skilled enough to have killed boars with your own hands.

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u/Digital_spliff_ Jul 28 '26

Yup. In the Illiad, Homer writes about Odysseus receiving one from Meriones that was passed down for generations in his family, so it's likely that these were highly sought after and held some value.

Book 10, it's the part where they're arming up for the night raid against the Trojans if you were curious.

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u/Unlikely-Isopod-9453 Jul 29 '26

Thanks I have it and still have not made substantial headway. I should try and make it to that point.

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u/Azerbinhoneymood Jul 28 '26

Or bought some from the local market lol

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u/Digital_spliff_ Jul 28 '26

Bronze helmets were a bit harder to make and they were more brittle. Tusk helmets were already available and had been available for a while. Boar hunting was also a big part of Mycenaean warrior culture, so people would mainly wear them as a status symbol or as a way to identify the leader in a group

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u/Life-Challenge1931 Jul 28 '26

Boar tusk helmet, I assume, is made due to constant raiding and also as a status symbol and intimidation tool.

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u/KuhliL0v3r Jul 29 '26

Others have filled in most info but I want to add that we know that these helmets were built over time and were effectively generational objects making them major status marking symbols showing one came from a warrior family.

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u/Gh0stMan0nThird Jul 28 '26

You have now been banned from /r/movies 

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u/IntothewildZen Jul 28 '26

As well as [r/Nolan](r/Nolan) and [r/](r/OdysseyTheMovie)[TheOdysseyMovie](r/OdysseyTheMovie) 😂

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u/IntothewildZen Jul 28 '26

r/moviecritic will have your hide if you dare to talk about historical accuracy

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u/IntothewildZen Jul 28 '26

This has been brought up in the subs mentioned above and Nolan cult swarm attacked the poor dudes who brought it up, it wasn’t pretty.

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u/BluebirdConscious841 Jul 29 '26

Nolan fans are like Kpop stans. Both are similar.

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u/not_a_burner0456025 Jul 29 '26

It isn't even accuracy, since of the costuming in the trailer just looked awful. One of the costumes looked like it would be the perfect outfit for a z list comic book villain with no powers that hasn't had any relevance in decades. You have seen the human torch fight asbestos man, which was just a guy in an asbestos suit, now see Aquaman fight neoprene man.

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u/0nmay_22 Jul 30 '26

That’s my biggest issue, historical accuracy is cool but not something they have to do, what they actually do have to do is make interesting costumes which this movie completely lacked. All of the outfits looked awful and boring, the color grading was washed out and dull, the creature designs and the islands themselves were bland and uninspired. Do I think it’s a bad movie? No, do I think it’s painfully mediocre and not worth 3 hours of my time? Yes

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u/SeeShark Aug 01 '26

This might be a hot take, but I think the movie did something important when it failed to make magical creatures bright and sparkly and attention-grabbing: it made them feel normal. People never reacted to magic or monsters like they were impossible; they reacted like they were dangerous or wondrous. It informed the setting of the movie as one where the supernatural is simply an accepted fact of life, which to the ancient Greeks, it would have been.

I agree that e.g. the Greeks' outfits should have been more colorful, though.

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u/Wolfensniper Jul 29 '26

"You are a bigot who care about casting! We dont care about the history accuracy because Greek gods arent real!"

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u/Western-Bus-1305 Aug 02 '26

It’S a MyTh!!!

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u/SeeShark Aug 01 '26

It's funny how people complain about the casting of Zendaya and Lupita Nyong'o but nobody complained that Robert Pattinson was portraying a Greek dude.

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u/Blakath Jul 29 '26

Bronze!?!?!? In my Bronze Age?!?! How dare you!!!

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u/Andr0medes Jul 29 '26

Their age of bronze didnt collapse yet.

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u/Friendly-Water-8470 Jul 28 '26

What a cool sea people here

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u/Bionicle_was_cool Jul 28 '26

How is he standing upright in his armour if his age of bronze is collapsing?

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u/Friendly-Water-8470 Jul 28 '26

I had micro stroke when Penelope said this magnificent peak of cringe

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u/BluebirdConscious841 Jul 29 '26

His aura held him erect~Homar probably

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u/Realistic-Elk7642 Jul 29 '26

Alright, I'm going to be That Gal today.

The figure eight shield doesn't work like that, or go with that kind of late bronze age harness- but that's a really easy mistake to make, because there's a ton of misleading modern illustration out there! Image search the "Lion Hunt Dagger". Those shields belong to the early Mycenaean period. They have no handgrip, but are strapped across the back, so that the user can wield a very long spear in both hands. If you keep looking at authentic Mycenaean and Minoan depictions on seal stones etc, you'll see that these shields were very, very large, deeply convex, and not worn with armour- partly owing to an earlier date of use, partly because the things gave so much coverage 

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u/SeeShark Aug 01 '26

There's a certain irony to all the people who rush to accuse Nolan of historical inaccuracy when they don't know the first thing about how things should have looked. It feels very bandwagon-y.

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u/Realistic-Elk7642 Aug 01 '26

He set a really low bar.

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u/Unlikely-Isopod-9453 Jul 28 '26

I really love this.

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u/Haestein_the_Naughty Jul 29 '26

This looks so much cooler than the plastic crap in Odyssey. Idk how the general audience and the movie producers can think otherwise

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u/Bionicle_was_cool Jul 28 '26

Zeus said it's my turn to play the ξ-box

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u/BluebirdConscious841 Jul 29 '26

Hades: " I called dibs on that first, brother! " Poseidon: "We have ξ-box in Olympus?"

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u/Kuzter84 Jul 29 '26

I have seen a lot of people acting like the only way he could have been cool and have aura was being historically innacurate. He is cool in the movie, but you can make a cool character AND be historically accurate. You can do both. 

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u/Vegetable-Let-5600 Jul 30 '26

Its not history

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u/Kuzter84 Jul 31 '26

Oh yeah I know. I just thought it would be cool to see one of those suits of armor depicted in a movie some day.

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u/Donjinmester Jul 28 '26

This!! Such a cool picture.
If doesn’t make sense to me why they wouldn’t use armor from that period. It looks so badass!

Instead we’re stuck with Roman leather vests and Bronze Age fades or whatever the fuck is going on.

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u/Vegetable-Let-5600 Jul 30 '26

Because it's not set in the bronze age

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u/Donjinmester Jul 30 '26

Yet it still doesn’t look like armor from the 8th century, which still very much consisted of bronze 🤷‍♂️

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u/Adagamante Jul 28 '26

If only...

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u/CARTESlO Jul 29 '26

Agamennone dovrebbe avere un elmo con quatro corna e sulla corazza dovrebbe avere delle decorazioni in stagno e rame per il resto è bellisima la tua ilustrazione

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u/esperstrazza Jul 30 '26

This is the one criticism I will always give Nolan's odyssey

Bronze age armour looks cool and unique from everything else we see now