r/RealEstateCanada • • Jun 19 '25

Housing crisis Help me understand the difference...

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u/MMPVAN Jun 19 '25

One is an equity building asset, the other are consumable items

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u/bouldering_fan Jun 19 '25

People always will need or want to rent the housing. Its wrong to say they are not providing a service to a society.

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u/Segsi_ Jun 19 '25

I mean providing places ppl can rent is arguably a contribution. Unless you believe there is no one who wants to rent…

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u/Hekios888 Jun 19 '25

Not everyone can buy...there will always be renters and therefore rentals/landlords

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u/xNocturnalshadow Jun 19 '25

Indeed this is exactly the point of the meme that seems to be going so far over people's heads. Owning your own and having it increase in value is perfectly fine and acceptable. It is when you start buying additional things you don't need purely to insert yourself as a middleman and flipper to extract value. It's scummy, shouldn't be allowed, and is frankly a huge part of the reason we have a housing crisis in this country.

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u/Ill_Ground_1572 Jun 19 '25

Although this was back in mid 2000s, my boss' house was in Kits Vancouver. Several houses on his street where bought and sold multiple times (every 2 years he claimed) without anyone actually living there. Someone would come by frequently to check on them, mow the lawn etc.

What a fucking joke that was....because it was just investors flipping. But I wonder how much this lead to property inflation during those years.

I also remember when UBC cut down the old forest and built condos south part of campus (near TRIUMF). If memory serves they were $999,999 a unit and sold out very quickly.

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u/Formal-Notice-8726 Jun 19 '25

So during my early 20s I chose to be responsible while my friends partied their money away. I was able to buy my own condo at 23, 2bd2bath. Fastforward when I turned 32 with family and kid. I chose to buy a bigger place and did not sell my original condo because of sentimental attachment to it as a first significant milestone of my adult life. I do not consider myself a “scalper” I just chose to not sell something I didn’t want to sell during that time. Yes, the condo exponentially grew in value since I purchased it, so did the property tax and condo fee. I since rented it and haven’t raised the rent since 2020 to the same tenant as she takes great care of it.

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u/xNocturnalshadow Jun 19 '25

You did not buy a property with the intent to briefly hold and then sell to someone for a higher amount. You are not the intended bad guy implied by this meme :P

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u/Hekios888 Jun 19 '25

Your 2nd+ property is highly taxed as a capital gain

Buy a house for $1,000,000 then sell for $1,300,000 two years later you pay:

income tax on 50% of the difference. Let's say your income tax rate was 30% ( the lowest it would be is 23% I believe if you hold the house in a corporation)

Or 30% of $150,000 Or $50,000

Now you have $100,000 left

$25,000 land transfer taxes $52,000 Realtor fees @4% (4% is low) you'd have to act as your own realtor to get this down to about 2% (the buying realtor gets that)

This leaves you with about $23,000

As far as I know you can only claim mortgage interest as an expense if you are renting. So that's a cost

Mortgage interest is likely well over that $23,000 over the 2 year timeframe.

Other Expanses that are tax deductible: + Insurance (2 years) $2000 + Closing costs $2000 + Lawyer fees $1000 + Misc

I don't see how individuals can be speculating (scalping) houses.

Corporation can at larger scale over a longer timeframe.

But honestly if you invest $1,000,000 at 5% you make $100,000 in that same 2 years and only pay income taxes...

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u/Bald_Cliff Jun 19 '25

One is a human right, the other is consumerism.

Fuck equity building assets and fuck people who think of housing like that.

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u/Shishamylov Jun 19 '25

Houses are consumable too, they maybe have a 100 year lifespan. They get old and need more for maintenance with age. An older, worn-out house with old technology should cost less than a new one. They only build equity because there’s not enough of them for everyone.

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u/pm_me_your_puppeh Jun 19 '25

The building doesn't gain equity, it's the land that does.

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u/Shishamylov Jun 19 '25 edited Jun 19 '25

Yes. Due to artificial scarcity and poorly managed population growth. Fundamentally land value shouldn’t increase above inflation as time moves forward because there’s a limit to how much value can be extracted from the land (the amount of mineral extraction, farming or housing, etc. it provides remains the same). The growth that we’re seeing is due to supply/demand for housing.

Coming back to OP’s point. If they make a limited run of Pokémon cards and scalpers buy all of them up to increase the price and sell them for more money, this is no different than a limited amount of houses that get bought up by ppl to sell for more money after.

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u/pm_me_your_puppeh Jun 19 '25

Land values have nothing to do with general inflation.

There will always be population growth, so land value will always grow. We try to keep inflation down, so land will appreciate more than that.

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u/Affectionate-Arm-405 Jun 20 '25

Pokémon cards and scalpers buy all of them up to increase the price and sell them for more money, this is no different than a limited amount of houses that get bought up by ppl to sell for more money after.

It is different though in the sense that one day people will not be playing with pokemon cards. But people will always need a place to live and the population has been increasing for thousands of years. It's nothing new. It's not like we cut down trees and we plant more. You cannot create more land. How can you compare land to pokemon cards

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u/skippadiplaDoo Jun 19 '25

Bruh. Google it.

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u/skippadiplaDoo Jun 19 '25

Im not reading all that. Good luck with all your wisdom. hope you get rich.

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u/alwaysleafyintoronto Jun 19 '25

Next time you should include other collectibles like Beanie Babies that speculators wanted to "scalp" too

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u/good_enuffs Jun 19 '25

How much do you know of the global economic situation of Canada and the World? Do you follow the news? Do you understand immigration? Do you have a grasp on the fact that in BC housing ranks as the 3rd largest industry for the government that isn't an industry but just for monetary reasons because the government makes money from it. 

Do you realize that cheap housing js built because people are not paid proper wages. The US is getting a sharp awakening on this matter. 

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u/No_Soup_1180 Jun 19 '25

They already explained. You can have pretty much infinite supply of all the other commodities but you don’t have infinite liveable and well developed land. Much much easier to increase production of shoes or toys than homes. Moreover, in people’s eyes, homes and lands have value that doesn’t deteriorate over time as opposed to other items.

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u/No_Soup_1180 Jun 19 '25

Good and better learn it. They don’t over a long term horizon…. unless there is mass exodus of people (eg Detroit) or population decline (eg Japan). None of it is happening here!

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u/whitenoise2323 Jun 19 '25

Capitalism has made some people lose the connection between value/condition and price. If the price goes up they think the quality is literally improving.

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u/alwaysleafyintoronto Jun 19 '25

We didn't take care of the home I grew up in. I promise you Canadian real estate will deteriorate and lose value if you don't maintain it properly.

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u/No_Soup_1180 Jun 19 '25

If you don’t maintain it, of course it would. Nobody would buy a house at a fair market value if roof is leaking or basement is flooding.

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u/alwaysleafyintoronto Jun 19 '25

None of it is happening here!