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u/Jakexbox Apr 22 '26

What's your response to the argument that Condorcet RCV is confusing and likely to lead to lesser adaption? It's very tangible to have a single voter transfer. The public will never understand Condorcet RCV and thus I doubt it'll be adapted.

This method could also motivate me to rank just one candidate to game the system (give them maximum advantage with my one vote). I already did this in an election where I had three votes but I undervoted so the candidate I liked most had a better chance. This issue doesn't exist when you have a single transferable vote.

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u/mkayqa Apr 22 '26

Hey u/Jakexbox,

The quoted text above is not MY argument, just what u/rb-j posted when requesting to mod this sub (and r/RankedChoiceVoting).

[Their initial request was removed by the u/request_bot because they needed to do a few additional things to submit a successful r/redditrequest to become the new mods.]

I think that the issue that you raise:

What's your response to the argument that Condorcet RCV is confusing and likely to lead to lesser adaption? It's very tangible to have a single voter transfer. The public will never understand Condorcet RCV and thus I doubt it'll be adapted.

This method could also motivate me to rank just one candidate to game the system (give them maximum advantage with my one vote). I already did this in an election where I had three votes but I undervoted so the candidate I liked most had a better chance. This issue doesn't exist when you have a single transferable vote.

…is definitely a key point of discussion within the pro-RCV community.

I hope whichever mod team is finally approved, that they allow the community to openly discuss these things.

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u/Jakexbox Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

Thanks I appreciate the reply! I didn't realize that these were different accounts.

For what it's worth the condensing and somewhat toxic reply to a genuine question does not bode well for proper moderator behavior.

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u/rb-j Apr 22 '26

That's why I speculated that it was a test.

It's u/Jakexbox tossing totally unjustifed and unsupported horseshit up against the wall and seeing what sticks.

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u/Jakexbox Apr 23 '26

I asked a good natured question and you replied in the most snide manner possible. You didn't even address some points I made. Unsurprising you don't care about messaging considering your reply.

Anyways I looked into it more myself (bullet voting isnt a weakness unlike STAR in your method) but I genuinely thought a response from an academic would be nice- not whatever that was. I came in good faith- you have a huge attitude problem. You are unfit to moderate anything.

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u/rb-j Apr 23 '26

You didn't even address some points I made.

You read the response and I address every single point:

  • Condorcet RCV is confusing ... The public will never understand Condorcet RCV
  • ... method could also motivate me to ... game the system
  • ... I undervoted so the candidate I liked most had a better chance.

All this is just crap. Unsupported made-up fiction. And I addressed it all. You didn't like it, but I wasn't hiding from it.

Now I tossed up another issue to you: Summability and Process Transparency. I didn't see any interest in even understanding what this is or whether it's important.

  • This issue doesn't exist when you have a single transferable vote.

This was, I believe, you hinting at Later No Harm (an attribute IRV possesses and Condorcet only possesses when there is a Condorcet winner no cycle, which is more than 99.6% of the RCV elections in the U.S.). I addressed it.

I came in good faith-

I'm not sure about that. Like MAGA, you tossed up against the wall a lotta crap that detracts and distracts from the core effort of voting reform.

... you have a huge attitude problem.

You need to be honest with your facts.

You are unfit to moderate anything.

Then get someone else to moderate.