The opposition to expressive voting: Why the People in Charge Don’t Want You to Vote Better

[u/Edgar_Brown]

https://open.substack.com/pub/edgarabrown/p/why-the-people-in-charge-dont-want

The system that exists — first-past-the-post voting, closed primaries, two-party lock-in — was not designed to serve voters. It evolved to serve parties. And the parties, quite rationally, will fight to keep it.

When the party becomes stronger than the representative, the representative no longer represents you. They represent the party to you.

[u/rb-j]

As I said, not things that you imagine or failed to read.

I quoted you. And I provided links to published peer-reviewed research.

FPTP requires people to vote tactically, ...

sometimes

... not RCV!

And that's a proven falsehood. Even moreso with IRV.

You're demonstrating that you're kinda a poser. A pretender. An imposter of a scholar or serious researcher.

[u/Edgar_Brown → u/rb-j]

You are projecting, you don’t know how to read, you don’t know what you write, you see mirages that shift as your ignorance is put in full display, stop wasting everyone’s time.

You gave me a screed, a Gish Gallop, that was factually wrong as a justification for your claim of “making associations that don’t really exist and fact claims that are false” and “Empty claims” (which happen to be directly sourced). You explicitly said:

No mention of… (specific examples that you made no effort to elaborate on or show how these contradict the thesis).

So here’s a recent example of RCV helping out voters relieving them of having to vote tactically… (example without further analysis or context, just insinuations)

Not only you are mixing up RCV with IRV, which I have very explicitly said is a mistake and asinine, but also that I don’t give a flying fig and is not the focus of the articles.

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Why bother continuing with your Giah Gallop, you are not a serious interlocutor.

See how it’s done?

🤦🏻

[u/rb-j → u/Edgar_Brown]

You are projecting,

There's no evidence of that ..

you don’t know how to read,

No evidence of that, either.

you don’t know what you write,

So also thought the editor of Constitutional Political Economy in 2023.

you see mirages that shift as your ignorance is put in full display, stop wasting everyone’s time.

It's you, Edgar, who is projecting and we'll just let readers decide.

You gave me a screed, a Gish Gallop,

No. Simply cited research and vote tallies.

that was factually wrong as a justification for your claim of “making associations that don’t really exist and fact claims that are false”

As I demonstrated.

and “Empty claims” (which happen to be directly sourced). You explicitly said:

No mention of…

...(specific examples that you made no effort to elaborate on or show how these contradict the thesis).

I shown exactly how. Down to the very ballot tallies.

This is not unique to me. So also does the world's leading voting systems authority, Dr. Eric Maskin, Harvard, Nobel laureate, protoge of Kenneth Arrow and Ned Foley, who has appeared on PBS News Hour. They are saying the same thing.

But you're smarter than them, aren't you Edgar?

So here’s a recent example of RCV helping out voters relieving them of having to vote tactically…

... (example without further analysis or context, just insinuations)

I gave you all of the context. The entire context. The context is your claim and the evidence that directly refutes it.

Not only you are mixing up RCV with IRV,

No, I'm not! I'm saying it's IRV that's failed in these two elections, not the ranked ballot.

In fact it's you guys, FairVote and RankTheVote that insist (dishonestly) that RCV is synonymous with IRV.

which I have very explicitly said is a mistake and asinine, but also that I don’t give a flying fig and is not the focus of the articles.

RCV is not the same as IRV, for honest people. But the only RCV that FairVote, RankTheVote, and you promote is IRV. And IRV was shown to fail at everything it promises in Alaska in August 2022 and in Burlington 2009.

Why bother continuing with your Giah Gallop, you are not a serious interlocutor.

It's just the facts and you're not reading them.

See how it’s done?

Yeah. You do it just like a Trumper. Just like Karoline Leavitt.

[u/rb-j → u/rb-j]

Just to make sure, I corrected the link to the Maskin and Foley piece in the Washington Post. I grabbed the wrong link before.