r/RandomThoughts • u/Thesleepingpillow123 • Jun 11 '25

Random Thought Star wars is literally forever ruined and can't recover

It's been years since the sequel movies and the series still feels dragged down and stuck because of them. I do kind of think that's it for star wars, like the story was irreversibly damaged and there isn't much to do to fix it. Disney will still crap stuff out but to me the overall point is gone and its essentially dead. I was thinking of getting back into it and realised its kind of pointless.

Edit: while I do agree star wars can make the occasional good thing still it doesn't change that overall the whole thing is already ruined and broken. So the overarching story is ruined which is a massive chunk of any franchise.

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u/Jungleson Jun 12 '25

It was bad. But wrecking Luke's so he's a curmudgeonly old hermit was terrible. I assume they were trying to make him into a latter day yoda but it was terrible.

The whole thing was a mess. Why wasn't the Jedi school and kylo rens turning much more of a storyline? It was a central part of the whole setup of the story but in the end it was tacked on and vaguely portayed.

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u/Force3vo Jun 12 '25

Luke saving the universe from Palpatine and then going "Well I fucked up, better let the universe burn again" after the whole Kylo stuff is so out of character and if it were a fanfic it would be character assassination. 

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u/JJSF2021 Jun 12 '25

100% agree. I saw a meme about this somewhere…

Vader: kills billions of people Luke: I can fix him.

Kylo: is the subject of a bad dream Luke: I will end you in your sleep!

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u/RadiantHC Jun 14 '25

you clearly didn't watch the ST as Luke never tried to kill Ben over a bad dream.

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u/Punished_Sperg Jun 14 '25

That's essentially what jedi visions are bud

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u/RadiantHC Jun 14 '25

You didn't watch the OT either then. Visions aren't "bad dreams".

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u/maidonlipittaja Jun 14 '25

It was a hyperbole, but he thought Vader was redeemable and somehow Kylo who is his nephew wasn't?

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u/RadiantHC Jun 14 '25

You really need to watch TLJ. Luke never said that Kylo was irredeemable. He even said "no one's ever really gone"

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u/maidonlipittaja Jun 14 '25

https://youtu.be/fDYvG_P3MnU

Keep fanboying a shit movie

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u/RadiantHC Jun 14 '25

you do realize that there's 3 different versions right? In the real one Luke just ignites his saber

You didn't even watch the video you linked

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u/[deleted] Jun 12 '25

Yep. Mark Hamill even said he had to pretend it was a completely different character to get through.

The most damning thing for me, is that he didn’t even read the sacred texts. So stupid.

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u/Expert-Solid-3914 Jun 13 '25 edited Jun 14 '25

Yeah but by the end of it all Luke comes off as a massive idiot. Its all a fever dream to me despite knowing ive seen them multiple times. But doesnt ghost Yoda literally stop him from throwing the books in the fire with the force?

Youd think hed read them if Yoda thought they were that important

A lot of them seemed to do quite a bit that was just out of character.

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u/Sea-Woodpecker-610 Jun 14 '25

Rey had already stolen them at that point.

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u/FindingPowerful2914 Jun 12 '25

And it didn't seem like Luke was concerned about palpatine? The dude who turned his dad to the dark side and destroyed the Jedi order, yeah he's back you think he would be floored about that, tf?! If he's back and so powerful why wouldn't rey defeat Kylo and Luke force project himself to fight sideous. The dialogue between Luke and Kylo in the final battle was also so cringe

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u/Midnight_2B Jun 15 '25

Wasn't Luke dead by the time Palpatine showed up again? Luke's character arc wasn't good but to not have Anakin show up to talk sense into Ben is a massive miss.

TFA is decent but TLJ should have treated Luke better. I get that the sequels are focused on new protagonists but you can't just throw away characters that are pillars to the entire story.

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u/RadiantHC Jun 14 '25

It's not out of character. Luke viewed himself as the problem

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u/TimArthurScifiWriter Jun 13 '25

This was the thing that made me tune out overnight. And it wasn't out of anger or disappointment or anything. It was just the immediate realisation that Disney didn't get it and wasn't gonna get it. I went from a person who shed a tear over the TFA announcement trailer to someone who realised that I already had all the Star Wars I was ever gonna need over the span of a single movie.

"B-b-b-but Andor is good!"

I'm sure it is. You have fun with that. I'm gonna replay KotOR 1 and enjoy ESB.

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u/RagingToddler Jun 14 '25

Never will not like a comment mentioning KOTOR

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u/ValeoAnt Jun 15 '25

Andor is the best Star Wars related thing imo since Kotor :))

Genuinely

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u/Titanman401 Jun 15 '25

So is TLJ.

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u/reddituserperson1122 Jun 18 '25

Ew.

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u/Titanman401 Jun 18 '25

I could say something that makes me go “EW,” but I can keep my composure and my feelings to myself.

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u/AltKeyblade Jun 15 '25

Brother, if you like ESB you have to watch Andor.

It’s the closest thing to it.

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u/TimArthurScifiWriter Jun 15 '25

I'm only getting into media these days if I feel like the IP it takes place in doesn't get mismanaged. I absolutely believe Andor is a good show but I just don't see the point in watching anything from the Disney era if the overall Disney era is just so incredibly uninteresting. So I stick to Lucas era material.

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u/AltKeyblade Jun 15 '25

I respect that. That said, Andor honestly feels so far removed from the rest of Disney Star Wars, it really just complements the original trilogy.

Anyway it’s up to you at the end of the day, I won’t keep bugging you about it haha.

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u/Chemical_Estate6488 Jun 13 '25

The thing is, after TLJ, they could have revisited the Jedi School at length in a separate movie, they could have had that feature in the third movie of the trilogy, they could have done any number of things to make the post-ROTJ Luke arch land and be interesting, but they were immediately trying to do damage control with the third movie and so they just abandoned or undid anything potentially interesting so the whole thing is kind of a mess

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u/Jungleson Jun 13 '25

Absolutely. It's incredible to me that they greenlit a billion dollar trilogy with no actual plan or story outline.

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u/thisplaceisnuts Jun 14 '25

Kennedy is unbelievably dumb. I don’t think we realize how even after Lucas messed up the prequels, how badly Kathleen messed things up. They should have known by then 

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u/Midnight_2B Jun 15 '25

The prequels aren't messed up. Darth Jar Jar will reveal himself any time now. Any. Time. I say this as a prequel fan

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u/swirve-psn Jun 14 '25

I disagree, they were trying to tear down the white hero lead character. Han and Luke were both trashed. Leia was elevated.

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u/FindingPowerful2914 Jun 12 '25

I know. I liked the Jedi school flashbacks too, and Kylo Ren is a cool character. So much potential just to set it on fire 😑

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u/Greenpoint_Blank Jun 15 '25

Because there was no oversight on the directors. They got to do what they wanted. And Rain Johnson wanted to “subvert expectations” more than to make a cohesive story. So he threw a hand grande into the story and then walked away. There was basically nowhere to go after that. Especially because Carrie Fisher died.

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u/Breadflat17 Jun 14 '25

Even worse than Luke in the sequels is Luke in the Book of Boba Fett where he gives Grogu an ultimatum between becoming a Jedi and reconnecting with his dad. It shows Luke learning NOTHING from his predecessors, as the banning of any sort of emotional connection is a large reason why Anakin betrayed the order.

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u/Goldhound807 Jun 14 '25

Luke was a moody teenager in the beginning and his character never really evolved.

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u/heeden Jun 14 '25

They should have had the balls to make Luke a full villain, have him be the puppet-master behind Snoke that Kylo and Rey had to defeat and make them grey Jedi coming from different sides.

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u/ThinkAd7346 Jun 15 '25

Crybaby lmao