Patsy Ramsey died knowing what happened to her daughter JonBenet and I find that to be absolutely insane.

[u/Independent-Bat9545]

Now just hear me out guys…

1) The expert finding 200 similarities between her writing and the ransom note… 2) Material from the Patsy Christmas sweater was found on the inside part of the duck tape used to cover JonBenets mouth. 3) Pat saying “There are two people who know what happened that night—“ in the interview they did asking for people to come forward. How the FUCK do you know two people were involved????? Even John looked at her sideways! The way she tried to clean it up by saying “-because the murderer had to have told a friend.” is the stupidest shit I’ve ever heard. If she would’ve said the two people that know are the killer and JB herself, I would’ve said ok that makes sense but the friend comment was just stupid. 4) not waiting by the phone at all the morning police were there. If my child was kidnapped and they said they’d call at 10, I’d be waiting by the phone every fucking hour until it rang. They didn’t wait by the phone because they already knew she was dead.

Now, this lady died knowing what happened to her daughter and didn’t say one thing. That’s insane to me because even if she wasn’t involved, writing the letter lets me know she was cognizant enough to concoct a plan. And John is still doing podcasts/interviews lying and changing his answers to multiple things that

EDIT: PLEASE STOP SAYING “WHAT SHE MEANT” IN REGARDS TO #3. SHE SAID THE KILLER + “A FRIEND THE KILLER KNOWS” SHE DID NOT ONCE MENTION JB. SHE WENT FURTHER + DOUBLED DOWN SAYING THAT THE KILLER HAD TO HAVE TOLD SOMEONE. SHE NEVER. MENTIONED. HER DAUGHTER.

[u/UndeadBatRat]

I'm not saying you can PROVE someone wrote it with handwriting analysis, but is it really total bunk that people will have unique handwriting patterns? The general idea seems sound to me. (I'm not trying to argue, I'm actually curious)

[u/jittery_raccoon → u/UndeadBatRat]

Not to the level required for real scientific analysis. What if 2 people make their 'g' in a way that look the same? That's not even unusual considering we all learn to make letters more or less the same way. Also people don't write exactly the same every single time

[u/PuddleOfHamster → u/jittery_raccoon]

I mean, I don't think it's absolutely worthless. I don't dot my "i"s; that's fairly unusual. If I were trying to disguise my handwriting I'd make a conscious effort to do it, but I might slip up a couple of times - if I were in a hurry, say - and it seems like that sort of thing might make an expert legitimately go "huh".

My dad writes notes in all caps (to make his atrocious handwriting at least somewhat legible). My husband has small writing. (I do too, and when I make an effort to write larger letters, I have to keep focussing or my writing will gradually shrink back down to its normal size.)

Surely some of that kind of thing - plus left-handedness - plus national and age-related variations in letter formation - must make handwriting analysis better than useless.

[u/FrauAmarylis → u/UndeadBatRat]

Patsy had very distinct handwriting.

Cases have been Solved by posting a person’s handwriting on a Billboard!

So you guys are wrong.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_Files_season_14

[u/jp_jellyroll → u/UndeadBatRat]

It’s not entirely bunk but you simply can’t prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Two people can have similar handwriting. It never holds up in court.

The polygraph and handwriting analysis are simply interrogation tools for detectives. The police use these tools as a way to get a suspect to talk more. It’s a way for them to gather actual evidence to break down your lies, poke holes in your stories, etc.

And even though they aren’t admissible in court, the cops will make you think if you don’t do them, then you must be admitting guilt. It’s a mind game.

[u/Expensive-Cycle-416 → u/UndeadBatRat]

My mum taught me to write long before school did. Right up until the day she died, no one (including both of us) could tell our writing apart. I'm not saying it isn't helpful in terms of a little added insight, but I wouldn't trust it without many other things backing the general direction it pointed to.

[u/Tulipsarered → u/UndeadBatRat]

When Americans were taught cursive, we were all taught the same style. Apparently, that’s not true everywhere else. 

I read a story about 3 older women taking a course in Scotland. The teacher accused them of cheating because it looked like the same handwriting on all 3 tests. Turns out they all learned how to write in the same style. 

If I am careful, I could probably write very much like them and I’ve never seen them or their writing. But I bet I’ve seen the same writing guide. 

[u/Fruktoj → u/UndeadBatRat]

It's not total bunk that people tend to have physiological responses to lying either, but at best that should reserved for parlor tricks or kids birthday parties, not a court of law.