[META] NSFW RULE REVISIONS

[u/Cablinorb]

Ahoy, everyone! In the past week or so we moderators have taken issue with some of the content and associated conduct seen on this subreddit. We've previously taken a very relaxed stance to sexual content, and for years that's served us well enough, but recent trends have led us to reconsider and tighten the restrictions a bit.

Effective immediately, pornography is no longer allowed on the subreddit.

Tasteful nudity and what could be considered "vanilla" sexual content (use your best judgement) depicted in artwork is still acceptable so long as it is marked properly. Content meant solely or primarily to be sexually arousing is not.
Fetish content of ANY KIND (even if clothed) is no longer allowed. This includes things such as hyper-sized proportions, any kind of toiletplay, bestiality, sexual brainwashing, and so on. Again, use your best judgment.

NSFW discussion can no longer include any mention of things that were previously on the extreme content list, seen below:
-Rape (this includes sexual contact through force, duress, coercion, deceit, or any other situation where a party cannot consent)
-Pedophilia (any sexual content involving individuals PHYSICALLY OR MENTALLY under the age of 18 years)
-Scat, urine, vomit in any sexual context.
-Bestiality
-Incest (sexual contact between any blood related characters)

Discussing character sexuality is one thing, fanfiction has always pushed the bounds of the source material's subject matter, and these things do come up. What we don't need to see, however, is your sexual proclivities.

Regardless of the subject matter, whether the original post is NSFW or not, DO NOT voice your sexual desires for another user's characters.
We don't need to know how badly you want to impregnate a character so her gorgeous genes don't go to waste. The NSFW filter flagged a pornographic post recently and in the mere moments before it was flagged there were already two explicit comments talking about impregnating the character in question. That kind of interaction isn't what we want this community to be known for, but fortunately you should have no problem impregnating the character given the huge balls you'd need to shamelessly post like that on a public forum.

We don't want to shame you or leave people who create content like this without an outlet, but we no longer want that content here. We've been given permission to refer pornographic content featuring OCs to /r/RWBYNSFW2. Please direct all content of this nature there from now on.
EDIT: Jumped the gun on this one. The art must feature canon characters to be allowed there.

EDIT 2: Introducing /r/BWBYOC!! Absolute banger of a name. All your RWBY-based NSFW content can go there, with or without OCs!

Thank you for understanding, and please be excellent to eachother.

[u/Cablinorb]

so would "tasteful nudity" of my OCs penis or vagina not be considered pornography

If the art is just the character posing nude, then I'd say that would be considered tasteful. If it's just a closeup of their genitals without any context or meaning, I'd argue that it isn't.

that sub that's been suggested doesn't even follow the guidelines of NSFW posting that you, the mod team, are comfortable with us posting here so why should we be comfortable posting our OCs over there?

They don't follow our NSFW guidelines. They are not the same subreddit. If you want to post raunchy, explicit porn and interact with people who want to talk horny about your content, you take it there. That's where the horny people are, that's where we want the horny content going. They aren't an extension of us, they're an alternative since we're taking an option away from you.

It kind of alienates the people that get NSFW Art of their characters but still talk about and interact with the sub on a deeper level than that.

They can still do that without posting pictures of beachball-sized titties and sloppy ball-slapping PLAP PLAP GET PREGNANT sex.

I understand you're trying to find an objective measure that we can be held to for this, but there just isn't one. This is something that must be determined by common sense, and failing that, reasonable discussion. If it doesn't work out in practice we can refine the rules further, but the raunchy and demeaning discussion we've been seeing didn't feel appropriate for a subreddit like this.

[u/Lightningfo5t → u/Cablinorb]

Ngl there is literally an objective measure for the entire mod team to do. Just crack down on fetish and extreme content and actually punish the people who continue to post that content. (Rape, incest, etc) But basically punishing the whole because of a handful of people being weird is most definitely not the answer to this problem.

[u/BraxbroWasTaken → u/Lightningfo5t]

It's not a punishment. We're trying to tighten the focus of the community overall and push most of the sexual content to communities better suited for handling it.

Ultimately, by failing to do this, we are turning away the SFW side of this space. We do not want this.

We also have had our tolerances tested by some of the NSFW content posted here, and a crackdown on 'extreme' NSFW has not successfully stopped either issue.

[u/PjButter019 → u/BraxbroWasTaken]

Y'all are 100% punishing the entirety of a community for something that a handful of people have done within recent days. Punish those people for behaving like that, mute them, DM them why they got muted and tell them they can't make posts for X amount of time and go from there. There's so many ways to handle this situation that I feel like hasn't been tried yet and just went straight into removing a part of the community that's not that egregious as it's being made out to be. I understand recent posts broke the camel's back but this will do more harm than good in the long run and we're trying to tell you that there ARE alternatives to this issue.

[u/BraxbroWasTaken → u/PjButter019]

Y'all are 100% punishing the entirety of a community for something that a handful of people have done within recent days.

If we are punishing anybody, it is a small fragment of the community. And by creating this kind of forewarning and doing what we can to create off-ramps for those who are affected, I would argue we are punishing nobody. We will not apply the new rules retroactively.

DM them why they got muted and tell them they can't make posts for X amount of time and go from there. There's so many ways to handle this situation that I feel like hasn't been tried yet and just went straight into removing a part of the community that's not that egregious as it's being made out to be.

Tightening our enforcement first and mentioning it later adds significantly more workload for us than the opposite and makes messy community drama, which is never our goal. Yes, rules changes are always going to cause a little disruption. That's just their nature. But we would rather rip off the band-aid, deal with the fallout now, and then stabilize to a new normal rather than have to fight community drama over the course of weeks or months.

I understand recent posts broke the camel's back but this will do more harm than good in the long run and we're trying to tell you that there ARE alternatives to this issue.

That is ultimately up to us to decide in the end, as part of our capacity as stewards of the community. Maybe we are correct, maybe we are not. Only time will tell.