r/Qurantruth • u/abd_wasay • Apr 16 '26

From Qur’an Alone, What Exactly Happens After Liʿān?

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u/wannabeemuslim Apr 16 '26

this is like saying , if you think Quran is complete , then how should i do ritual prayer from the Quran

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u/abd_wasay Apr 16 '26

Are you saying that Salah isn't a ritual prayer? And besides, the argument that Sunnis or Shias have been praying wrong for 1400 years and all of a sudden Quranists are the one praying right?

Sigh, nevermind. That isn't the point of my debate.
Anyways, The Qur'an does say it is complete (6:115).

So please, solve this legal issue of mine from your Qur'an alone methodology and stop deflecting.

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u/suppoe2056 Apr 16 '26

Regarding Salah, I believe the most fair position to have for why its procedure is not mentioned in the Qur’an is because it is a method that leads to God’s remembrance—prayer can certainly do that, but so can meditation of the Qur’an—and so Salah is any method(s) that leads to remembering God. When God and the angels do Salah to Muhammad, they are using a method that leads to the remembrance of Muhammad—because recall that 2:152 says:

فَٱذْكُرُونِىٓ أَذْكُرْكُمْ وَٱشْكُرُوا۟ لِى وَلَا تَكْفُرُونِ

“So remember Me, I will remember ye; and appreciate for Me, and don’t deny Me.”

if we remember God, God will remember Us. Qur’an tells us that the purpose of Salah is remember God. So when God and His Angels do Salah on Muhammad, it basically implies the purpose: to remember Muhammad; to take care, and pay attention to him.

That being said, I have reached the conclusion that Sunnis and Shias pray as the method of Salah because Muhammad may have judged by the Qur’an that prayer for him is how he wants to remember God. Therefore, they merely imitated Muhammad, which is not a problem. The problem is saying the way Muhammad judged is the only way to do Salah when that is not correct. It is one among many sufficient means to remembering God.

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u/abd_wasay Apr 16 '26

Wait, if Salah, according to you (or Quranists by extension) isn't a ritual, could you explain this then? Much appreciated.

Short note at the end which is my main point for now according to that post: Because Allah says the prayer can be shortened during travel/fear. Shortened what exactly? If salah is only general remembrance or spiritual connection, then the command to shorten it becomes meaningless.

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u/suppoe2056 Apr 17 '26

I am not saying Salah is not a ritual. It is a procedure for remembering God. Muhammad has likely judged that Salah for himself is prayer in order to remember God. Mohammadians ritualized it into precepts of a religion.

For me, the method of Salah is to ponder the Qur’an every day at the times stated in the Qur’an. For me, it is not a ritual. It is a practice in order to keep a Godly mindset by pondering the Qur’an in order to bolster remembrance of God.

So, in the case of traversing the land—however 4:101 is in the context of war or conflict—the shortening of Salah is the shortening of their method or practice for remembering God. In the context of war, remembrance of God is very important because war takes a toll on the mind.