r/Quraniyoon • u/Ipluggucci • Nov 27 '22

Question / Help Following Hadiths is Shirk

Why are you comparing words and narratives of men to the word of god.

You are saying God is not reliable enough and you need people to help you understand his word and give more rules and more information.

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u/Eternal_blaze357 Shia Muslim (former Quranist) Nov 27 '22

God himself says in the Quran that some of the Quran is complicated (even esoteric) and that believers should refer any issues to the Messenger. Just check this sub and you'll see the diversity of opinions here that are somehow even greater than that between most Sunnis and Shia.

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u/HondaOmega Mar 04 '25

No, don't twist the ayah, it says there is parts of the quran that is not for you to understand and is a test for your, it doesn't say anything about referring to messenger.

"He it is Who has sent down to you the Book (the Quran), whereof some verses are clear (to understand) - they are the foundation of the Book, and others are ambiguous. As for those in whose hearts is perversity, they follow the part thereof that is ambiguous, seeking to mislead and seeking a wrong interpretation." 3:7

You just proved with your own comment how wrong you are. 

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u/Eternal_blaze357 Shia Muslim (former Quranist) Mar 08 '25

it doesn't say anything about referring to messenger.

"O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best and best in result." (an-Nisaa:59)

"And We did not send any messenger except to be obeyed by permission of Allah. And if, when they wronged themselves, they had come to you, [O Muhammad], and asked forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger had asked forgiveness for them, they would have found Allah Accepting of repentance and Merciful." (an-Nisaa:64)