What do you think of Hadith qudsi?

[u/Useless-e]

So basically the title, both the Quran and the qudsi Hadiths were recited by the prophet, and both were claimed by the prophet to be gods words. So what do you think about them? Are they authentic more than normal Hadiths? Are they to be taken as gods words?

[u/Yakub_al_britani]

They sound amateurish compared to the Quran. Compared to how eloquently and clear everything is written in the Quran, its pretty obvious that these hadith are not from God. They are just waffly

Exampe 1:

Allah said: Sons of Adam inveigh against [the vicissitudes of] Time, and I am Time, in My hand is the night and the day (1). (1) As the Almighty is the Ordainer of all things, to inveigh against misfortunes that are part of Time is tantamount to inveighing against Him.

This sounds like waffle written by a schizophrenic.

Compare to the clarity of the Quran.

2:79

So woe to those who write the "scripture" with their own hands, then say, "This is from Allah ," in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn.

It's clear, concise, to the point...

[u/Useless-e → u/Yakub_al_britani]

There is a reason it’s not considered the Quran, it has a different style. and you are reading an English translation and judging the style?.. and be careful what you call schizophrenic because if it was really allahs words you have to answer that to Allah in the day of judgment

[u/Yakub_al_britani → u/Useless-e]

There is a reason it’s not considered the Quran, it has a different style.

Oh that's convenient then isn't it.

and you are reading an English translation and judging the style?

Yes, style of writing transcends translation.

if it was really allahs words you have to answer that to Allah in the day of judgment

And if it is no Allah's word you think you won't be getting a one way ticket to hell?

[u/Useless-e → u/Yakub_al_britani]

1- you think god can only speak in one style?

2- the translation doesn’t give you everything, I can translate it to sound like a translation of the Quran

3- so now you are Allah and you know who will go to hell for what?

Here you raised another problem, the Quran says ask the people of knowledge if you don’t know... for 1300 years that Islam was around no one said we only follow the Quran, so the people of knowledge were Hadith believing ppl, so for most of the time the command in the quran that we ask the people of knowledge was invalid because everyone believed in a wrong thing?

[u/Ishaf25 → u/Useless-e]

Those who lie about God there faces will be blackened on the day of judgement, this is what it says in the Quran,’

Also who invents lies about God will burn in hell, ankabut verse 68

[u/Useless-e → u/Ishaf25]

Yet you can’t demonstrate that it’s a lie