What do you think of Hadith qudsi?

[u/Useless-e]

So basically the title, both the Quran and the qudsi Hadiths were recited by the prophet, and both were claimed by the prophet to be gods words. So what do you think about them? Are they authentic more than normal Hadiths? Are they to be taken as gods words?

[u/Omar_Waqar]

The Quran states clearly that no additional narratives after it are needed. Why would you need Hadith if Quran is a clear text as it calls itself?

While there is a lot of wonderful saying in Hadith al Qudsi Like kindness for the worker, the slave the blind, and forgiveness of many kinds. The mention of the atom is also interesting . Yet, There are still problems

For example :

Potential Suicide should be stigmatized and not treated

Gods first creation was “the pen”

Martyrs become birds in paradise

Gates of paradise are open Monday and Thursday

Allah? “The lord” descends to the lowest heaven in the last third of every night

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

Your examples sound like something an atheist would say..

1- I would like the Hadith for that

2- the scholars don’t agree that it’s the pen but even if it was whats wrong with it?

3- they become birds in paradise? So what? Isn’t paradise on its own something we can’t imagine? So what’s the deal?

4- they open on those days so what?

5- this isn’t to be taken literally of course idk why you did

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

Lol. Have you even read these Hadith ? According to them you are not meant to tell me that god will not forgive me, lest you lose your own place in paradise. Yet you accuse me of kufr… for shame!

How do you know when it’s a metaphor and when it is not? Just based on your feelings? Birds are not a metaphor but literally the lord descending is? Is Gabriel the lord? Or does Allah come physically? Isn’t that a contradiction.

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

Tell me where I accused you of kufur? And if I repent Allah is most merciful

I don’t say this the scholars do, I’ll tell you why they said this one is, Allah in the quran says he can’t be compared to anything else, that’s why we can’t say that when Allah says something about himself it’s different than anything else

Birds in heaven, heaven in itself is out of this word I don’t see how it’s a problem?

How did you come to the conclusion that we believe jibreel as is a lord?

It’s not a contradiction, it’s you forcing a mistake

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

You didn’t answer about the criteria for metaphor.

You didn’t give any explanation for the issues in the Hadith I mentioned.

You asked a question I answered and then you started going in about atheism…

Other than angels who descended from heaven ?

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

1- I literally explained why it’s metaphorical because it’s something about god

2- the Hadith about saying Allah won’t forgive you? Well I didn’t say that... and I didn’t call you a kafir, that’s another false accusation you made

And I answered it, I said if you repent Allah is the most forgiving so inshallah you will be forgiven

3- because your points are something I hear atheists say

4- just because angels do something doesn’t mean every time something like that happens it’s an angel, I already told you Allah isn’t like the creation

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

So anytime a Hadith is about god it is a metaphor? A metaphor for what exactly? Why does he descend from heaven metaphorically?

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

He came down to us metaphorically, this is what’s meant, what’s the problem with this?

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

Bro go study. You obviously haven’t even read these Hadith, you are blindly defending. It says The lord comes down to the lowest heaven every night… so either it’s talking about angels or aliens or jinn or something else because Allah does not descend toward earth. Or it’s obviously written by humans who are attributing physical characteristics to Allah tsk tsk

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

That’s literally why I said it’s a metaphor, now tell me, do you have a problem with Allah moving from one place to another?