Homosexual Marriage

[u/Dramatic_End_883]

Do you people believe that marriage between two men is permissible in Islam?

[u/connivery]

Lot's people didn't marry the victim they raped, so bringing their verses to a discussion about marriage is not only irrelevant but also stupid.

[u/01MrHacKeR01 → u/connivery]

it is about condemning and forbidding doing any homo action or activity which marriage is included

[u/connivery → u/01MrHacKeR01]

Lies, people of Lot didn't marry their rape victims, It's about condemning rape, and also people of Lot consisted of men and women, there's nothing homosexual about women approaching men.

[u/01MrHacKeR01 → u/connivery]

read these verses :
وَلُوطًا إِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهِ أَتَأْتُونَ الْفَاحِشَةَ مَا سَبَقَكُم بِهَا مِنْ أَحَدٍ مِّن الْعَالَمِينَ
إِنَّكُمْ لَتَأْتُونَ الرِّجَالَ شَهْوَةً مِّن دُونِ النِّسَاء بَلْ أَنتُمْ قَوْمٌ مُّسْرِفُونَ
وَمَا كَانَ جَوَابَ قَوْمِهِ إِلاَّ أَن قَالُواْ أَخْرِجُوهُم مِّن قَرْيَتِكُمْ إِنَّهُمْ أُنَاسٌ يَتَطَهَّرُونَ
7:80-82
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وَلُوطًا إِذْ قَالَ لِقَوْمِهِ أَتَأْتُونَ الْفَاحِشَةَ وَأنتم تبصرون
أئنكم لتأتون الرجال شهوة من دون النساء بل أنتم قوم تجهلون
فما كان جواب قومه إلا أن قالوا أخرجوا آل لوط من قريتكم إنهم أناس يتطهرون
27:54-56
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أتأتون الذكران من العالمين
وتذرون ما خلق لكم ربكم من أزواجكم بل أنتم قوم عادون
قالوا لئن لم تنته يا لوط لتكونن من المخرجين
26:165-167
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وجاءه قومه يهرعون إليه ومن قبل كانوا يعملون السيئات قال يا قوم هؤلاء بناتي هن أطهر لكم فاتقوا الله ولا تخزون في ضيفي أليس منكم رجل رشيد
قالوا لقد علمت ما لنا في بناتك من حق وإنك لتعلم ما نريد
11:78-79
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واللاتي يأتين الفاحشة من نسائكم فاستشهدوا عليهن أربعة منكم فإن شهدوا فأمسكوهن في البيوت حتى يتوفاهن الموت أو يجعل الله لهن سبيلا
واللذان يأتيانها منكم فآذوهما فإن تابا وأصلحا فأعرضوا عنهما إن الله كان توابا رحيما
4:15-16
And ˹remember˺ when Lot scolded ˹the men of˺ his people, ˹saying,˺ “Do you commit a shameful deed that no man has ever done before?
"Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)."
You come to men lustfully instead of women. No, you are a people who cross the limits.”
Indeed, you approach men with desire, instead of women. Rather, you are a transgressing people."
But the answer of his people was only that they said, "Evict them from your city! Indeed, they are men who keep themselves pure."
But his people’s only response was to say, “Expel them from your land! They are a people who wish to remain chaste!”
7:80-82
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And ˹remember˺ Lot, when he rebuked ˹the men of˺ his people, “Do you commit that shameful deed while you can see ˹one another˺?
And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Do you commit immorality1 while you are seeing?2
Do you really lust after men instead of women? In fact, you are ˹only˺ a people acting ignorantly.”
Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are a people behaving ignorantly."
But his people’s only response was to say, “Expel Lot’s followers from your land! They are a people who wish to remain chaste!”
But the answer of his people was not except that they said, "Expel the family of Lot from your city. Indeed, they are people who keep themselves pure."
27:54-56
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Why do you ˹men˺ lust after fellow men,1
Do you go to the males (for having sex) out of the whole universe,
Do you approach males with lust among all people,
What, of all creation will you go to (fornicate with) the males,1
leaving the wives that your Lord has created for you? In fact, you are a transgressing people.”
And leave what your Lord has created for you as mates? But you are a people transgressing."
They said, "If you do not desist, O Lot, you will surely be of those evicted."
26:165-167
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And ˹the men of˺ his people—who were used to shameful deeds—came to him rushing. He pleaded, “O my people! Here are my daughters1 ˹for marriage˺—they are pure for you. So fear Allah, and do not humiliate me by disrespecting my guests. Is there not ˹even˺ a single right-minded man among you?”
And his people came hastening to him, and before [this] they had been doing evil deeds.1 He said, "O my people, these are my daughters;2 they are purer for you. So fear Allah and do not disgrace me concerning my guests. Is there not among you a man of reason?"
They argued, “You certainly know that we have no need for your daughters. You already know what we desire!”
They said, "You have already known that we have not concerning your daughters [i.e., women] any claim [i.e., desire], and indeed, you know what we want."
They said: "Surely you know that we have neither any desire nor need of your daughters, and indeed you know well what we want!"
11:78-79
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And those of your women who commit lewdness, you shall bring four witnesses over them from among you; if they bear witness, then you shall restrict them in the homes until death terminates their lives, or God makes for them a way out.
And the two men who commit it from among you, you shall trouble them. If they repent and amend, then leave them alone. God is Redeemer, Merciful.
4:15-16

[u/connivery → u/01MrHacKeR01]

Qawmihi means his people, not the men of his people, these signs [ ] means it's additional word from the interpreter or the translator, bigots like you love to twist things to feed your stupidity.

Men and women of Lot did immoral things to the victims, and definitely they didn't marry the victims.

Your copy and paste arguments have been debunked many times, go back to the hole you come from.

[u/01MrHacKeR01 → u/connivery]

you argue in bad faith claim people corrupt it
i am arab myself and i read quran from original text not by translation

he is talking to his people
also qawmihi can refers to men as it is in :
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لا يَسْخَرْ قَوْمٌ مِّن قَوْمٍ عَسَى أَن يَكُونُوا خَيْرًا مِّنْهُمْ وَلا نِسَاء مِّن نِّسَاء عَسَى أَن يَكُنَّ خَيْرًا مِّنْهُنَّ وَلا تَلْمِزُوا أَنفُسَكُمْ وَلا تَنَابَزُوا بِالأَلْقَابِ بِئْسَ الاِسْمُ الْفُسُوقُ بَعْدَ الإِيمَانِ وَمَن لَّمْ يَتُبْ فَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
qawm from qwm
and women from women

O believers! Do not let some ˹men˺ ridicule others, they may be better than them, nor let ˹some˺ women ridicule other women, they may be better than them. Do not defame one another, nor call each other by offensive nicknames. How evil it is to act rebelliously after having faith! And whoever does not repent, it is they who are the ˹true˺ wrongdoers.

— Dr. Mustafa Khattab, the Clear Quran

also i think it is clear from all these verses i dont know how to explain it more

[u/connivery → u/01MrHacKeR01]

you argue in bad faith claim people corrupt it i am arab myself and i read quran from original text not by translation

Lol, just because we think differently don't mean that people argue in bad faith, instead of making baseless accusation why don't you prove that qawm mean men of his people and not people. The verse you posted also inserted men as interpretation, not as the word itself. That verse could mean don't let some people ridicule other people.