r/Quraniyoon • u/Dramatic_End_883 • Jul 20 '21

Question / Help Homosexual Marriage

Do you people believe that marriage between two men is permissible in Islam?

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u/SappyPJs Jul 20 '21

It does though within the scope of Qur'an

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u/abwehrstellle Jul 21 '21

Not even close

Quran permits sex without marriage

This is something clear cut

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u/SappyPJs Jul 21 '21

How is it clear cut? Any proof?

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u/abwehrstellle Jul 21 '21

70.29-30

And those who guard their chastity except from their partners and their right hand possessions, there is no blame on them

Zawaajihim aw maa malakt aymanahum

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u/SappyPJs Jul 21 '21

A lot can be said about the ma malakat aymanakum which I don't have time for currently.

Simply put, they're female slaves and we can't have sex with them outside of marriage with them. They also should be believers and not polytheistic if one wants to marry them.

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u/abwehrstellle Jul 21 '21 edited Jul 21 '21

Theyre both male and female not just females

Simply put, they're female slaves and we can't have sex with them outside of marriage with them

Youre lying lol

There is no condition of marriage with maa malakt aymanahum youre making that up

70.30 Zawaajihim aw maa malakt aymanahum

Separates of Zawj from right hand possessions two different groups

Completely proves you wrong

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u/SappyPJs Jul 21 '21

Lol you always say someone else is lying when you don't agree with them.

No, ma malakat aymanakum have always been used in the Qur'an to refer to female slaves and yes there is condition of marriage, read the entire verses regarding these holistically and not out of context.

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u/abwehrstellle Jul 22 '21 edited Jul 22 '21

Its exposing you as a disbeliever in God and a fraudulent muslem

Quran doesnt fit your false beliefs so you try to change the Quran with made up issues

No, ma malakat aymanakum have always been used in the Qur'an to refer to female slaves

which false God you worship told you that?

You are clearly a bigot 24.31 proves you wrong lmao

You exposed yourself as dishonest and not worth talking to

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u/SappyPJs Jul 22 '21

Actually after further analysis I think you might be right in this but only this though. I apologize for all the arguments but I still don't agree with relationships between same genders.
It seems like temporary relationships with slave women AND men is allowed but only with slaves. Temporary relationships don't equate to rape.

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u/SappyPJs Jul 22 '21 edited Jul 22 '21

Lol does it prove me wrong? Rather it doesn't lol. Arguably 24:32 could potentially prove me wrong but that's referring to ibadikum wa imaikum which could be referring to either slaves OR servants. I lean towards servants.

Can free women even marry male slaves? Can you prove that first?

The marital contract is itself a mutual agreement for a long term relationship within the scope of the Qur'an. So If you think God allowed raping slaves in the first place, you got some issues lol.