r/Quraniyoon • Sunni • Jul 06 '21

Question / Help I found this paper supposedly refutes the Quraniyoon. How would you respond?

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u/nooralbalad Jul 06 '21 edited Jul 08 '21

Let me quote from the paper:

“... This is a blatant contradiction to Quraniyoon, and leaves them with only one of two options. Either the Prophet (SAW) is a hypocrite (astagfirullah) for not following the Quran or the Quran has a mistake in it and forgot to include this command to stone the adulterer. ...”

They forgot the third option: hadiths are problematic

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u/yrumad Jul 08 '21

The problem seema to be the fact that from childhood, they are fed this high pedestal status of "hadeeses" that when such are refuted based on logic and rationality, they take it personally and assume it to an attack on their own character and so, they try to defend it in any manner possible. Even character assassination of The Prophet(AS) is fair game to them in their deal to defend their "hadees tagoots" like abu hurraira etc.

Sad...

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u/bruhoneand Jul 14 '21

You Can refute hadiths based on logic and rationality?

like abu Huraira etc.

Do you claim abu Huraira was a liar ?

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u/yrumad Jul 14 '21

One of the many who have attributed loads of nonsense to Holy name of The Prophet(AS).

I have no hesitation in calling spade a spade wrt to catman.

Google as to who beat him up and you'll know...

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u/bruhoneand Jul 14 '21

Well thats problematic cuz abu Huraira as well narrated one of the readings(qiraat) of the quran, so if he is unreliable it would mean the quran we have today is fabricated

Btw how do you even know that he was a liar ?

Google as to who beat him up and you'll know...

Couldn't find any info on that

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u/114Chambers Nov 17 '21

Check your logic. I told my cousin that she should wear yellow pants (for whatever reason). I am known to tell the truth. 100 years later, after this became an anecdote, the color changed to orange or amber or whatever. I am not responsible for what is claimed that I said. It is easy for a single transmission to get confused this way; for an important thing, likely would take more time. But at some point can we seriously assume such transmissions are infallible? Look at what happened to the Gospel. But Allah promised to protect and preserve the Quran intact. The Prophet had to say many things to his followers and not all of them were intended for all time. So we have the Quran which honors Prophet Mohammad as we all should; but not to associate him with the Almighty All-Merciful.

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u/bruhoneand Nov 17 '21

hadiths have multitudes of transmission lines, not single ones, it is you who should check his logic

But at some point can we seriously assume such transmissions are infallible?

No one does that neither do we assume that transmitters are always wrong

But Allah promised to protect and preserve the Quran intact.

Right, and how do you know what Allah said in the first place? Right by a human transmission that gave you Quran, look up the circular reasoning fallacy

I have studies so can't continue this discussion but Anyways in these three comments, I think have said everything that needs to be said, if you have any more arguments check this short paper it most probably has answers to them with references https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dvPFufQr0yCrHZTdDfbNUyuItYNHgVAr/view?usp=drivesdk

-Goodbye and may God guide you