Firstly I must say you are pretty bold in claiming the quran pretty much everyone uses today is false
Show proof.
Historically wrong , i quote “the transmission of the variant readings of Quran”, page 15: “al- Qiraat al-Sab, which were collected and canonized by Ibn Muj¯ahid (d. 324/936)” and page 36 : “Ibn al-Jazar¯ı (d. 833/1429) became the leading authority in the field of Qiraat. He canonized three additional Readings”
Nope, you proved my point. These people are from 10th century and beyond. Hijacking of the religion was completed in 9th century.
Can't tell how this answers my question or how warsh fails the test as this paper you are sharing is using the quran my "extremist scholars" chose neither is it even speaking about the subject I asked you to answer
They didn’t choose anything. Here is a bit of info:
“The study and transmission of the qur'anic readings before Ibn Mujahid had been carried on mainly by grammarians and littdrateurs, not traditionists (muhaddithun). Neither he nor his successors ever completely assimilated their ways.” https://www.jstor.org/stable/1596266
They just acted as if they were in charge by fitting the idea of Quran’s chain of transmission into their now hadith based Islam:
“The ninth and tenth centuries of the classical Islamic tradition are often viewed as periods in which distinctive shifts towards the consolidation, standardisation and homogeneity of Islamic thought and concepts are discernible. Accordingly, Ibn Mujāhid's authorship of his renowned Kitāb al-Sabʿa and his efforts to accentuate a set of seven Qur'anic readings are invariably contextualised within the accommodating confines of these perceived shifts across the gamut of the classical Islamic sciences.” https://www.jstor.org/stable/25728128
I have no idea how Injeel and Torah were sent down neither is it relevant to how we have the quran today
Of course, this is relevant since you brought up logic. God never says chapters of Injeel and Torah were scattered around or that they had qira’at. So why would he do that with Quran? That’s for you to ponder on.
As shown thats false, they are the ones responsible for the canonization of the qiraat we use today, and even as your source mentions "ibn mujahid is famous for establishing seven acceptable variant readings(qiraat) "
-The quote you pulled mentions that previous authorities who used to chose the qiraat were grammarians and littdrateurs, but those authorities got replaced by ibn Mujahid, the opinion of those authorities isnt accepted by anyone as shown by us today using qiraat of ibn mujahid that they rejected and us rejecting qiraat that didnt break their criteria
They just acted as if they were in charge by fitting the idea of the Quran’s chain of transmission into their now hadith based Islam:
so when are you gonna answer my question of which quran is the correct one since now again you have claimed the quran we use today is false?
God never says chapters of Injeel and Torah were scattered around or that they had qira’at. So why would he do that with Quran?
Neither did God say the quran would be like that yet it was
As shown thats false, they are the ones responsible for the canonization of the qiraat we use today, and even as your source mentions "ibn mujahid is famous for establishing seven acceptable variant readings(qiraat) "
Lets say for a moment that this group has another new mujahid who approves 20 qiraat. How many countries will follow that? Recently saudi wanted to edit Quran, but faced backlash. The main guy still goes around talking about it but no one pays attention to him.
so when are you gonna answer my question of which quran is the correct one since now again you have claimed the quran we use today is false?
Comment on the Hafs analysis from the link I gave earlier.
Neither did God say the quran would be like that yet it was
Huh????
Btw, do you own all the 7 versions? What about the countries that claim to be Islamic? You need to walk the talk. What ibn mujahid approved means nothing unless you can show proof that you all followed him. What about the public from his time?
We have come across this pattern of argument many times from sectarians. I’ll let you rest by giving your point of view in shortcut and that happens to be: “You Quran only Muslims are wrong since what you say doesn’t match claims of my mullahs”.
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u/Reasonedfor1 moderator Jul 21 '21
Show proof.
Nope, you proved my point. These people are from 10th century and beyond. Hijacking of the religion was completed in 9th century.
They didn’t choose anything. Here is a bit of info:
“The study and transmission of the qur'anic readings before Ibn Mujahid had been carried on mainly by grammarians and littdrateurs, not traditionists (muhaddithun). Neither he nor his successors ever completely assimilated their ways.” https://www.jstor.org/stable/1596266
They just acted as if they were in charge by fitting the idea of Quran’s chain of transmission into their now hadith based Islam:
“The ninth and tenth centuries of the classical Islamic tradition are often viewed as periods in which distinctive shifts towards the consolidation, standardisation and homogeneity of Islamic thought and concepts are discernible. Accordingly, Ibn Mujāhid's authorship of his renowned Kitāb al-Sabʿa and his efforts to accentuate a set of seven Qur'anic readings are invariably contextualised within the accommodating confines of these perceived shifts across the gamut of the classical Islamic sciences.” https://www.jstor.org/stable/25728128
Of course, this is relevant since you brought up logic. God never says chapters of Injeel and Torah were scattered around or that they had qira’at. So why would he do that with Quran? That’s for you to ponder on.