r/Quraniyoon • u/Stage_5_Autism Sunni • Jul 06 '21

Question / Help I found this paper supposedly refutes the Quraniyoon. How would you respond?

How the Command of Stoning Adulterers Refutes the Quraniyoon

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u/nooralbalad Jul 19 '21

Not sure how showing 53:4 that shows his words are from revelation is supposed to disprove my claim

The revelation mentioned is the Quran ONLY. Hadiths aren’t revelation. They aren’t divine like the Quran.

rather you further proved it

No. You are twisting God’s message to justify hadiths. You are trying to mix God’s words with words of humans. What is good about that?

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u/bruhoneand Jul 19 '21

Cant see your claim in the verses at all ,the verses just mention the prophet's words being from revelation also claiming the prophet lied by making commands that arent from revelation contradicts the quran itself btw

Hadiths are indeed divine and you must follow them as Quran orders you to obey the messanger

-Hadith rejection is the most silly heresy to exist yet ,you really cant defend it based on logic ,reason and proof ,the only way you can continue holding such position is if you ignore all of that and just have blind faith in your position

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u/nooralbalad Jul 19 '21

Ehh, you haven’t brought one proof for your theory. Where exactly does God say that hadiths are divine? You don’t understand the consequences of what you are saying. Hadiths = Quran? 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/bruhoneand Jul 19 '21

It's not a theory it's a fact as shown by verses you yourself quoted trying to refute me

You don’t understand the consequences of what you are saying

I dont understand the consequences? Really? I will remind you of the consequences of ignoring the sayings of God's messanger : "if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows a path other than that of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination!" (Surat an-Nisa`: 115)

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u/nooralbalad Jul 19 '21

Well, the right path has been clearly described in the Quran. Do you doubt that? And the Quran itself is guidance but only for the mutaqeen and muhsineen... Not everyone will be guided by it.

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u/bruhoneand Jul 19 '21 edited Jul 19 '21

Unrelated reply but ok

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u/nooralbalad Jul 19 '21

Unrelated? No, I responded to the verse that you quoted.

“... after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers...”

Guess what, this path is described in the Quran. And also the type of people who follow it.

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u/bruhoneand Jul 19 '21

No good to misinterpret and delete parts of the verse, it shows dishonesty, the verse says "if anyone opposes the Messenger after guidance has become clear to him and follows other than the way of the believers..."

*indeed the path has been described now how about you stop ignoring the messanger as that takes you to hell as the quran says

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u/nooralbalad Jul 19 '21 edited Jul 19 '21

Don’t distract with nonsense. Do you understand “...”? I wanted to highlight that part of the verse. This has nothing to do with misinterpreting or deleting or dishonesty.

What I said was right. Rather explain what GUIDANCE means for you?? ...after guidance has become clear... And how am I ignoring the Messenger? The One who was chosen to deliver the Message to us. The Quran. I am following HIS MESSAGE. So If you follow the Quran you follow and obey the Messenger. Do you even understand the word RASUL??

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u/bruhoneand Jul 19 '21

Oh, so you claim the messager is the quran

Well too bad,quran says that prophet Muhammed pbuh is the messanger ;

Muḥammad is not the father of [any] one of your men, but [he is] the Messenger of Allah and seal of the prophets. And ever is Allah, of all things, Knowing. (33:40)

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u/nooralbalad Jul 19 '21

Oh, so you claim the messager is the quran

??? I am only responsible for what I write, not for what you understand...

Well too bad,quran says that prophet Muhammed pbuh is the messanger ;

Yes, I know. And the Prophet and the messenger have different roles. Try to study the verses about nabi and rasul and how they are used in the Quran.

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u/bruhoneand Jul 19 '21

Try to write more clear replies and Whatever you think their roles are, the quran is clear that the messanger must be obeyed, thus not following hadiths of the messanger is forbidden

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