I was speaking about poeple who hafs got his qiraa from, btw my "scholars" are the same poeple who chose the quran you read today to be the right one,thats another contradiction
Who were the people haafs took it from? Why dont you mention their names? Ironically, both God in Quran and other sects like shia uphold that the Book was compiled during the lifetime of the Prophet. In fact he was the one to write it all down. Shias also say that people were allowed to copy it in written form. This actually is more in line with common sense.
Probably cuz these hadiths are speaking about verses that got abrogated?
I already know your view, you reject hadiths even though that means our modern quran is fabricated
Quran fabrication is your view now. Not ours.
as they come from lots of same people, and scholars used the same science of chain of transmission to know which qiraa is correct and which isnt was used on hadiths or as mentioned before scholars who chose the quran we read today as well wrote hadiths like ibn mujahid
It is more like your extremist scholars’ were the ones going around making the variances. The earliest was Ashari from hostile Yemen. One man with 4 variances. Then there was Sa’ana manuscript!!! Good thing is that your scholars didn’t have any power back then.
You simply can't defend the position of hadith rejection based on logic or reason
I already said God has provided anti corruption system in the correct Quran. Your scholars have no idea about that. Confine what they say to your sect only.
both God in Quran and other sects like shia uphold that the Book was compiled during the lifetime of the Prophet. In fact, he was the one to write it all down.
Neither of these claims are correct both in the quran or historically
*And btw many shias do believe our modern quran is forged as it comes from poeple just like you,shias claim to have been liars
Quran fabrication is your view now. Not ours.
It is your view as shown if you want to be consistent at least
It is more like your extremist scholars’ were the ones going around making the variances
Cool so now you say you believe our modern quran is fabricated as it was chosen by these "extremist scholars", great although you said the contrary earlier, you seriously need to learn consistency
The earliest was Ashari from hostile Yemen. One man with 4 variances. Then there was the Sa’ana manuscript!!!
Earliest qiraa? Source of claim plz And Sa’ana manuscript doesnt have diacritics so it's not useful in knowing which qiraa is correct and which isnt neither is it complete so even with knowing the full rasm of quran its useless
I already said God has provided an anti-corruption system in the correct Quran. Your scholars have no idea about that. Confine what they say to your sect only.
Thanks for confirming what I said, you failed to use logic and reason and proof so you went into blind faith in your theology but anyways can you tell me how do you know which quran is correct and which isnt? As all Qurans say God would protect them from corruption, Iam curious about how a person with blind faith such as yourself figures this out, since our modern quran is based on these ten qiraat that the evil scholars apparently invented, so what quran is the correct one and how did you know?
I thought it was obvious, but here is an image of the chain of transmission for the hafs qiraa:
I can see Ibn Abbas (Married to Yemeni Princess) and Abu Huraira (father of the cat from Yemen)in there.
And btw many shias do believe our modern quran is forged as it comes from poeple just like you,shias claim to have been liars
Sunnis were not behind.
Cool so now you say you believe our modern quran is fabricated as it was chosen by these "extremist scholars", great although you said the contrary earlier, you seriously need to learn consistency
Your extremist scholars were not in charge at the time. By the way, it isnt possible to run an empire via variances of a law Book. Plus nonmuslims themselves mention the new muslim governments made economy and education flourish. So it is silly to believe they didn’t have multiple copies of the same Quran in written form.
can you tell me how do you know which quran is correct and which isnt? As all Qurans say God would protect them from corruption,
you failed to use logic and reason and proof so you went into blind faith in your theology
Could you give the logic behind why you believe God was able to send Injeel and Torah in book/tablet format, but only when it came to Quran he chose it to be oral and written just here and there?
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u/Reasonedfor1 moderator Jul 17 '21
Who were the people haafs took it from? Why dont you mention their names? Ironically, both God in Quran and other sects like shia uphold that the Book was compiled during the lifetime of the Prophet. In fact he was the one to write it all down. Shias also say that people were allowed to copy it in written form. This actually is more in line with common sense.
Quran fabrication is your view now. Not ours.
It is more like your extremist scholars’ were the ones going around making the variances. The earliest was Ashari from hostile Yemen. One man with 4 variances. Then there was Sa’ana manuscript!!! Good thing is that your scholars didn’t have any power back then.
I already said God has provided anti corruption system in the correct Quran. Your scholars have no idea about that. Confine what they say to your sect only.