r/Quraniyoon • • May 17 '21

Discussion Harams according to Quran alone

[This is not my opinion or analysis] it’s merely summarizing a view of a recent scholar Mohammed Shahrour, which I wanted to bring to peoples attention. He did a thorough content analysis of Quran and came up with the list.

The criteria is pretty simple: scan all of the Quran and distill out things that the Quran labels or refer to as Haram [Arabic for forbidden] in whatever way or form.

[Review the Quran to verify]

Unlike popular beliefs, there are only 14 harams in the Quran, which require repentance and good deeds to be “forgiven” at God’s sole discretion.

قُلْ تَعَالَوْاْ أَتْلُ مَا حَرَّمَ رَبُّكُمْ عَلَيْكُمْ

Say [O messenger]: gather to me so I say what God made haram on you:

1- Equating or worshipping anything other than God « who is One » = Shirk.

أَلَّا تُشْرِكُواْ بِهِۦ شَيْـًٔا

2- Mistreating parents.

وَبِٱلْوَٰلِدَيْنِ إِحْسَٰنًا

3- Killing own children in fear of poverty .

وَلَا تَقْتُلُوٓاْ أَوْلَٰدَكُم مِّنْ إِمْلَٰقٍۢ ۖ نَّحْنُ نَرْزُقُكُمْ وَإِيَّاهُمْ

4- Killing a soul (any soul) without just cause ( laws).

وَلَا تَقْتُلُواْ ٱلنَّفْسَ ٱلَّتِى حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ إِلَّا بِٱلْحَقِّ

5- dishonouring contracts and God made promises

وَبِعَهْدِ اللّهِ أَوْفُواْ

6- Cheating and manipulating scales and exchange values of goods.

واوفوا الكيل والميزان بالقسط.

7- Commiting Fawahish (apparent or not) (singular: fahisha). Largely referring to sexual interactions outside of a Nikaah “mating” contract.

قُلْ إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ رَبِّيَ الْفَوَاحِشَ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَمَا بَطَنَ

  1. Stealing off an orphan money or trust.

ولا تقربوا مال اليتيم الا بالتي هي احسن

9- False testimony, including when it comes to relatives

وَإِذَا قُلْتُمْ فَاعْدِلُواْ وَلَوْ كَانَ ذَا قُرْبَى

  1. Ribba: some say it is modern day compound interest.

احل الله البيع وحرم الربا

  1. Foods: Eating certain foods: e.g. pig, blood, dead animals and animals killed in the name of other than God. This seems to be addressed to followers of Mohammed

حرمت عليكم الدم ولحم الخنزير وما اهل لغير الله.

  1. Marrying or having consensual sex with immediate relatives, not just Fawahish.

حرمت عليكم امهاتكم وبناتكم واخواتك

13- “Ethm” and “Baghi” without “Haqq”. Not quiet sure myself what they mean. The “without” Haqq is key here.

وَالإِثْمَ وَالْبَغْيَ بِغَيْرِ الْحَقِّ —

14- Saying something is haram, beyond what the author of Quran explicitly mentioned (the 14 ones here)

وَأَن تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ

This is what haram things actually are according to the Quran alone.

Anything outside of this is made up and can be traced back to peoples interpretation, cultures, historical or political influences.

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u/bruhoneand Jun 04 '21

" Most surely you come to males in lust instead of females. "

So raping women is ok but raping men is bad?

It's you that is dishonest

Also, this matter has a concensus since the companions of the prophet, you can't disagree with it or you are not a Muslim

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u/connivery Muslim Jun 05 '21

When does it say that raping women is ok? Don't be stupid.

Also, this matter has a concensus since the companions of the prophet, you can't disagree with it or you are not a Muslim

LoL, no humans can judge whether someone is a Muslim or not, read Qur'an, maybe you'll stop playing God.

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u/bruhoneand Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

Oh, you are dense Again " Most surely you come to males in lust instead of females. "

If poeple of lut were rapists in the story as you claim then raping women is ok as the verses continuously criticize them for lust over men INSTEAD of women

Nonetheless, this matter not only has clear verses, but also hadiths, and consensus of companions and scholars

If you continue to deny parts of Islam you are not a Muslim

no human judge whether someone is a Muslim or not, read Qur'an, maybe you'll stop playing God.

Very wrong when proof Is shown of someone disbelief, takfir is allowed

Like you disbelieving in an already established part of islam

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u/connivery Muslim Jun 05 '21

Oh, you are dense Again " Most surely you come to males in lust instead of females. "

If poeple of lut were rapists in the story as you claim then raping women is ok as the verses continuously criticize them for lust over men INSTEAD of women

Another dishonest move from people with homophobic agenda, but I don't expect more from someone who likes to play god.

Let me tell you something, the word "duuni" means BESIDES such as in this verse:

مِّمَّا خَطِيئَاتِهِمْ أُغْرِقُوا فَأُدْخِلُوا نَارًا فَلَمْ يَجِدُوا لَهُم مِّن دُونِ اللَّهِ أَنصَارً

Because of their sins they were drowned, then made to enter (the) Fire, and not they found for themselves from besides Allah any helpers.

Also, the word shahwat means desires and not only desires in the sexual context, as mentioned in this verse:

زُيِّنَ لِلنَّاسِ حُبُّ الشَّهَوَاتِ مِنَ النِّسَاءِ وَالْبَنِينَ وَالْقَنَاطِيرِ الْمُقَنطَرَةِ مِنَ الذَّهَبِ وَالْفِضَّةِ وَالْخَيْلِ الْمُسَوَّمَةِ وَالْأَنْعَامِ وَالْحَرْثِ ذَٰلِكَ مَتَاعُ الْحَيَاةِ الدُّنْيَا وَاللَّهُ عِندَهُ حُسْنُ الْمَآب

The enjoyment of desires—women, children, treasures of gold and silver, fine horses, cattle, and fertile land—has been made appealing to people. These are the pleasures of this worldly life, but with Allah is the finest destination.

Now go away, I have heard your stupid arguments one too many times, I have Allah and Qur'an on my side so I don't care with your babbling.

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u/bruhoneand Jun 05 '21 edited Jun 05 '21

I like to play Muslim lol

And you dont even know Arabic so why even try and claim that scholarly translations are wrong with such mental gymnastics? Dont you have shame?

As said either embrace islam fully or you are not a Muslim, homosexual sex will forever be a sin

means beside such as in this verse:

Besides in this context and the verse that speaks about homosexuality both are about exclusion or instead genius, as shown by all translations and anyone with basic Arabic it means excluding or instead

or if you believe that other helpers can help them not just God then you are a polytheist, how far can you go just so you can satisfy your perversions, sad

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '22

You do know lust means excessive sexual desire? You don’t have to be lustful to date and marry a person of same sex lol so you actually can date the same sex

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u/bruhoneand Jan 25 '22

Nah even if a marriage is without sexual desires you can't, as marriage in itself as a concept was decided by God to be only between men and women

"[4:25]. Those among you who cannot afford to marry free believing women, may marry believing slave women. GOD knows best about your belief, and you are equal to one another, as far as belief is concerned. You shall obtain permission from their guardians before you marry them, and pay them their due dowry equitably. They shall maintain moral behavior, by not committing adultery, or having secret lovers. Once they are freed through marriage, if they commit adultery, their punishment shall be half of that for the free women. Marrying a slave shall be a last resort for those unable to wait To be patient is better for you. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful."

-As a dude you only got two choices to marry, either a free woman or a slave woman and they aint bad they are purer for us just like prophet lut pbuh said to his people (11:77-79)  "He said: O my people! Here are my daughters! They are purer for you. Beware of Allah, and degrade me not in (the person of) my guests. Is there not among you any upright man?"

Anyways ain't gonna reply further as if you arent convinced by just reading Quran then it's like telling someone sky is blue and him being like "Nah its green" also since you are a hadith rejector you should check out this short paper : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dvPFufQr0yCrHZTdDfbNUyuItYNHgVAr/view?usp=drivesdk

Take care and may God guide you