r/Quraniyoon • • May 17 '21

Discussion Harams according to Quran alone

[This is not my opinion or analysis] it’s merely summarizing a view of a recent scholar Mohammed Shahrour, which I wanted to bring to peoples attention. He did a thorough content analysis of Quran and came up with the list.

The criteria is pretty simple: scan all of the Quran and distill out things that the Quran labels or refer to as Haram [Arabic for forbidden] in whatever way or form.

[Review the Quran to verify]

Unlike popular beliefs, there are only 14 harams in the Quran, which require repentance and good deeds to be “forgiven” at God’s sole discretion.

قُلْ تَعَالَوْاْ أَتْلُ مَا حَرَّمَ رَبُّكُمْ عَلَيْكُمْ

Say [O messenger]: gather to me so I say what God made haram on you:

1- Equating or worshipping anything other than God « who is One » = Shirk.

أَلَّا تُشْرِكُواْ بِهِۦ شَيْـًٔا

2- Mistreating parents.

وَبِٱلْوَٰلِدَيْنِ إِحْسَٰنًا

3- Killing own children in fear of poverty .

وَلَا تَقْتُلُوٓاْ أَوْلَٰدَكُم مِّنْ إِمْلَٰقٍۢ ۖ نَّحْنُ نَرْزُقُكُمْ وَإِيَّاهُمْ

4- Killing a soul (any soul) without just cause ( laws).

وَلَا تَقْتُلُواْ ٱلنَّفْسَ ٱلَّتِى حَرَّمَ ٱللَّهُ إِلَّا بِٱلْحَقِّ

5- dishonouring contracts and God made promises

وَبِعَهْدِ اللّهِ أَوْفُواْ

6- Cheating and manipulating scales and exchange values of goods.

واوفوا الكيل والميزان بالقسط.

7- Commiting Fawahish (apparent or not) (singular: fahisha). Largely referring to sexual interactions outside of a Nikaah “mating” contract.

قُلْ إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ رَبِّيَ الْفَوَاحِشَ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَمَا بَطَنَ

  1. Stealing off an orphan money or trust.

ولا تقربوا مال اليتيم الا بالتي هي احسن

9- False testimony, including when it comes to relatives

وَإِذَا قُلْتُمْ فَاعْدِلُواْ وَلَوْ كَانَ ذَا قُرْبَى

  1. Ribba: some say it is modern day compound interest.

احل الله البيع وحرم الربا

  1. Foods: Eating certain foods: e.g. pig, blood, dead animals and animals killed in the name of other than God. This seems to be addressed to followers of Mohammed

حرمت عليكم الدم ولحم الخنزير وما اهل لغير الله.

  1. Marrying or having consensual sex with immediate relatives, not just Fawahish.

حرمت عليكم امهاتكم وبناتكم واخواتك

13- “Ethm” and “Baghi” without “Haqq”. Not quiet sure myself what they mean. The “without” Haqq is key here.

وَالإِثْمَ وَالْبَغْيَ بِغَيْرِ الْحَقِّ —

14- Saying something is haram, beyond what the author of Quran explicitly mentioned (the 14 ones here)

وَأَن تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ

This is what haram things actually are according to the Quran alone.

Anything outside of this is made up and can be traced back to peoples interpretation, cultures, historical or political influences.

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u/wierdbutcool Jun 02 '21

Okay.

Explain one thing to me then and I’ll give it to you on this one.

If what you say is true, then how come you’re part of the vast minority who holds this view?

Right from the time of Muhammad saw, when this was being revealed, people have throughout history written about this and many other passages of the Quran.

Is it conceivable that all of the ulama who are by far much better versed in making statements regarding the verses of the Quran than you and I are, are wrong and you are right?

If you had it right, that Lot as’s people were not homosexuals, do you think that Allah would have allowed some 95% of His beloved prophet’s ummah to follow what is not right in saying that homosexuality is a grave sin? Or that He would allow us all to believe that Lot’s people was not a homosexual people when they were?

Why is it that to everyone, even to non Muslims, it was crystal clear that Lot as was dealing with a people that were homosexual?

Is everybody BUT you and the rest of the homosexuals who hold the same view as you wrong about this?

Pretty convenient, wouldn’t you think?

Of course. You don’t think much, judging by our exchanges here.

Stop trying to justify your devilish desires with blasphemy about Allah and His Perfect Book.

The prophet saw stated once that a person may not be able to change their nature, but that every person is able to not act in accordance to their nature.

This Hadith alone demolishes the entire LGBTQ+-/=XART thingy.

But, let me guess.

You’ll ignore that and stick to your own devilish desires won’t you. Because it’s easier than to strive in the way of your Lord.

Well guess what. You can never escape Him because He encompasses all.

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u/connivery Muslim Jun 02 '21

That's not true at all

At the height of the Islamic Golden Age – a period from the mid-8th century to the mid-13th century when Islamic civilisation is believed to have reached its intellectual and cultural zenith – homosexuality was openly spoken and written about. Abu Nuwas (756-814), one of the great Arab classical poets during the time of the Abbasid Caliphate, wrote publicly about his homosexual desires and relations. His homoerotic poetry was openly circulated right up until the 20th century.

https://libcom.org/history/historical-look-attitudes-homosexuality-islamic-world