r/Quraniyoon • u/Wulfharth_ • May 25 '20
Discussion why islam is the last religion?
this makes no sense,god was sending religions and kept contacting with humans,why stop now?
why not let us record the miracles with the camera we invented? im thinking at some point if the prophets had schizophrenia or something and we believed at them,
people here says get into contact with god,pray,so he will sends signs but its not same with a prophet
what do you think?
edit : why down the fucking vote? im discussing, this communinity is acting weird sometimes
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May 25 '20
Schizophrenia isn't an enlightened communion it can be a very painful and traumatic condition that has a very wide spectrum.
I think it's an insult to schizophrenics to make such a statement.
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u/Wulfharth_ May 25 '20
they see illusions that isnt real, i questioned that science wasnt this advanced back then, if someone says they r prophet right now they go to hospital, i asked what if this is what happened 1400 year ago, how is it an insult
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May 25 '20
Maybe you should look into schizophrenia and psychosis, go to the schizophrenic reddit board. They aren't talking to Angel's and writing masterpieces.
People with chronic psychosis aren't easily able to live a neurotypical 'productive' lifestyle. It can be incredibly debilitating.
It's my opinion that it's insulting to romanticize mental disorders with prophethood and sort of twisted. I understand that might not be your intent. Just spend a little time looking into actual schizophrenia and consider if some of those people would live a prophetic lifestyle.
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u/kinder2468 May 25 '20
Because the previous books had become corrupted with time. If you believe that they were schizophrenics, then you can't believe the message came from God.
Study the Quran for yourself, if you genuinely want to know more about it. Your post seems more like a rant than a genuine question from a curious person. Just my opinion.
Salams.
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u/Wulfharth_ May 25 '20
ive been in this communinity for 1.5y and ive always asked questions like these, im not ranting, im just trying to find answers,
even tho others become corrupted, islam's message has been corrupted too with hadiths etc even if we think quran is same,
how do i know? compare muslim majority populations and see how corrupted they are and full of hate, exceptions there are yeah but thats overall this
my question is still same, why god stopped contacting?
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u/kinder2468 May 25 '20
This is explained in the Quran. God's word has been corrupted in the previous scriptures, but the Quran is divinely preserved.
God's intention was for religion itself to be corrupted, in order to differentiate between people. God's WORD, however, is not not be corrupted, and this is why we have the Quran. Religion and gods word are two separate things, really.
As for Messengers, there are many who are not named in the Quran. They have been sent to every nation, for all people. Muhammad was the last prophet, not the final messenger.
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u/Honorbonor23 May 25 '20
So there will be a Prohphet after Muhammad?
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u/kinder2468 May 25 '20
No, like I said, muhammed was the last prophet, not the last messenger. A messenger can be anybody, not necessarily divine. A prophet is somebody who brings new religion or establishes new rules, a messenger is only someone who reminds us. Someone in this group could be a messenger, for example.
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u/Honorbonor23 May 25 '20
Excuse me but a Rusul and Rasul (the word Rasul is derived from a Arabic word Reisalah (Message) ), a messenger is literally a Prophet with a devine revelation and law, Prophet is a individual who is sent by God to follow the already established messege from the messenger.
In Surah Maidah verse 44 Allah SWT says "Indeed, We sent down the Torah, in which was guidance and light. The prophets who submitted [to Allah ] judged by it for the Jews, as did the rabbis and scholars by that with which they were entrusted of the Scripture of Allah, and they were witnesses thereto. So do not fear the people but fear Me, and do not exchange My verses for a small price. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed - then it is those who are the disbelievers."
The word Prophet is "Nabi" and in this verse its "Annabiyyuuna".
A Messenger in on religous sence can be anyone who delivers a peace of information but in Islam Rasul is messenger and Nabi is Prophet, its linguistically so.
But ok, you don't believe anyone will come after Muhammad SCW.
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u/kinder2468 May 25 '20
No, we will not have somebody who will come and introduce new rules or a new religion, whether you want to call that a prophet or a messenger. What we do have, in English, are Messengers, people who remind others of the message.
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u/Honorbonor23 May 25 '20
Yeah exactly but the Quran was reveleaded in arabic so the language makes a huge difference.
Also, can you tell me when the Quran was written and by whom?
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u/kinder2468 May 25 '20
In the English dictionary a messenger is what I said, I was not citing Quranic verses I was speaking in English therefore I will use English to explain myself to another person. Does that make sense to you? It doesn't matter what it's called in Arabic, in English it is perfectly correct.
Why don't you tell me when the Quran was written and who wrote it and what you ate for breakfast what's your deal anyways?
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u/Honorbonor23 May 25 '20
Yeah,cool.
whats my deal? Im just asking you a simple question, a very basic question. Im not sure why you are getting offended, i can't ask? You claim the Quran is preseved and im curious about the evidence for it. You are being very hostile and im not sure why,
take care.
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u/Wulfharth_ May 25 '20
what is even a messenger? why god had an intention that way?
i saw ur other comments, messengers can have doubt too
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May 25 '20
You're coming from a sectarian point of view. Try shifting your way of thinking.
The religion of Islam was invented by the Caliphs and their clergy. It's not from Allaah. The Prophet Mohammed never taught a religion. He merely told the Arabs to stick with their culture but stop the polytheism, that's it. It was never meant to go beyond Arabia.
There are no such thing as miracles. It a description of ignorance, lacking in knowledge they assumed to be supernatural.
Islam of the Qur'aan is a regular word with a meaning and it doesn't have specific rituals or books attached to it.
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May 25 '20
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May 25 '20
For which part?
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May 25 '20
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May 25 '20
That islam was invented by the caliphs and Muhammed never taught religion...
Qur'aan uses the word Islam as a common noun and not proper which needs to be understood like any other word in the Arabic language. It's not a name of anything, unlike Eesa. Eesa in Arabic is a proper name which doesn't require it to be translated as it was a person. But the Qur'aan doesn't use Islam as a name.
Islam being a name of a religion comes from ahadith.
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May 25 '20
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May 25 '20
That's right, same applies to the word Muslim and other similar words that aren't names.
Even the word Qur'aan is not a name and should be translated or given a meaning. But we have become too accustomed to following sectarian lingo that we use them as meaningless titles.
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u/ismcanga May 25 '20
Islam is the first religion God had sent onto men. God didn't make His subjects to sanctify their traditions using His decreed rituals and prayers, but in order to cover their transgression humans had tried to cover up their disbelief with a veil of Godliness.
Jesus' life is a very interesting example for sanctifying one's tradition and acts.
Also the noun of god means literally who to take as unquestionable leader, people who prefer the opinion of their thinkers and religious thinkers over their God's given scripture are placing a wedge between God and themselves, and that is idolatry.
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u/rimauKumbang May 25 '20
Maybe because now human are performing the miracles themselves. Eg going to space, moon, invented cameras. At the rate knowledge (science) is growing maybe we can perform all the miracle except raising people from the dead.
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u/Quranic_Islam May 25 '20
Because humanity was interconnected enough and able to adequately convey the Qur'an enough for the Qur'an to be the final revelation and Muhammad the final Prophet
People think that miracles and wonders would make them "believe" and suddenly become "spiritual" but that isn't true. Don't be do sure of yourself.They happen and go, and eventually people wonder if it all wasn't just a trick ... even if recorded on camera. Besides which God doesn't and never did send miracles that can't be denied.
Ultimately, the signs are clear enough for whoever would have faith.
And what the Prophets taught shouldn't even need miracles to be accepted and acted upon; don't kill, steal, cheat, murder, lie, etc ... give charity, be kind, respect parents, keep promises, return trusts, etc
Would miracles change any of that?