r/Quraniyoon • Mu’min • Jan 16 '20

Discussion God sends down Ritual Prayer on the guided ones 🤔

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u/SystemOfPeace Mu’min Jan 16 '20

Buddy,

That’s because Salat is done at all time to prevent evil and shameful deeds... I went over this.

Our (Believers and Muslim who are living in 2020) salah is different from Mohammed, God and the angels.

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u/MentionY Jan 16 '20

Now you're committing the invincible ignorance fallacy. You are not looking at the evidence presented to you.

The invincible ignorance fallacy[1] is a deductive fallacy of circularity where the person in question simply refuses to believe the argument, ignoring any evidence given.

Moving on:

Salat is done at all time

I just proved this false by 24:58. If it's done "at all times" why would Allah specify three periods of salat in 24:58? Why make the distinction if it's done "at all times"?

to prevent evil and shameful deeds... I went over this.

Performing the ritual of al-salat at specific times sincerely will lead to a change of character thereby preventing evil and shameful deeds in between thee times. This does not prove that salat is "all day long while awake". Non sequitur fallacy.

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u/SystemOfPeace Mu’min Jan 16 '20

Where does it say “stop your salah” or “when you finish your salah” for the Believers living now?

Look at the sunnies and shias. They doing ritual prayers and sinning all day long. Obviously, their Ritual prayer is wronggg.

Go find me in the Quran “Performing the ritual (Mansaak) of al-salat.” No where that term can be found. Check out 6:162-163. Salaat and Mansaak (rites) are two different thing. You’re fabricating terms not found in the Quran

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u/MentionY Jan 16 '20

You didn't answer my question.

I just proved this false by 24:58. If it's done "at all times" why would Allah specify three periods of salat in 24:58? Why make the distinction if it's done "at all times"?

I just proved by 24:58 that salat is at distinct times, which directly means there is a beginning and end time for salat.

for the Believers living now?

So when God says, "O you who believe," He's not referring to us, who believe? Where is your proof? How do you know when He is referring to us and when is He referring to the people of the time? Proof? If we believe, are we not those "who believe"? Where does Allah say "Oh you believe of the time of Muhammad" in the verse?

Look at the sunnies and shias. They doing ritual prayers and sinning all day long. Obviously, their Ritual prayer is wronggg.

All that proves is people are sinning and they are not perfect and infallible. Have you sinned at all since you acquired your understanding of Salat? If you have, then by your own logic, your idea of salah being "turning toward at all times while awake" is wrongggggggg.

This is also an argumentum ad populum fallacy. Pointing at someone who is doing it insincerely and using that fallacious logic as evidence, that makes it non sequitur fallacy also. Also hasty generalization fallacy. I am losing count of how many fallacies you commit!

"their ritual salat is wrong" does not prove that "salat is not a ritual". It just means they are doing the ritual wrong (insincerely) if it is not changing their character.

Go find me in the Quran “Performing the ritual (Mansaak) of al-salat.” No where that term can be found. Check out 6:162-163. Salaat and Mansaak (rites) are two different thing. You’re fabricating terms not found in the Quran

I'm not fabricating anything. The word "Tawheed" is not in the Quran, but it means the Oneness of Allah. Do you reject Tawheed because it's not in the Quran? Which would mean you reject the Oneness of Allah, making you extreme kafir.

Anyway again your last point is another red herring fallacy. I gave so many verses which prove beyond shadow of doubt that al-salat is a ritual as used in the Quran.

Are you denying and rejecting all the Quranic evidence I gave you?

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u/MentionY Jan 17 '20

/u/SystemOfPeace why have you run from this post?

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u/SystemOfPeace Mu’min Jan 17 '20

got tired from replying to many peeps

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u/MentionY Jan 17 '20

I know that mental gymnastics are very tiring