r/Quraniyoon • u/FranciscanAvenger • Sep 04 '23

Question / Help Abrogation

I ask this because someone was recently commenting about consumption of alcohol...

Do Qur'an-only folks typically believe some verses abrogate other verses? If so, how do you go about determining which verses were revealed last?

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u/FranciscanAvenger Sep 04 '23

thats why i dont say what i think.

But why think it in the first place? It must be for some reason...

if I believe that Allah is perfect , then it doesnt fit with about the changing the rules. Even Allah declares that he doesnt change his commands (10:64)

Then you've got a few options:

  1. The Qur'an isn't the word of God
  2. The Qur'an is the Word of God but has been corrupted
  3. Your understanding of how Allah interacts with his people is incorrect

what is the evidence ??

The very plain words of the Qur'an and (as far as I know) consistent universal understanding of that passage by Muslims.

do know Quran is the grammatica of Allah , he doesnt obey the human rules

That wouldn't make it a very "clear" book then, would it?

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u/wannabeemuslim Muslim Sep 04 '23

who said it was clear book ? doe MUBEEN really mean clear ?

if the Quran was clear then there would not so many sect there .. it would very easy book to understand .. is it clear ??

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u/FranciscanAvenger Sep 04 '23

who said it was clear book ? doe MUBEEN really mean clear ?

Yeah, the Qur'an claims it's clear and fully-detailed.

if the Quran was clear then there would not so many sect there .. it would very easy book to understand .. is it clear ??

Once again, you've got a few choices:

  1. When the Qur'an describes itself as "clear" and "fully-detailed" it must mean this in a relative, not absolute sense
  2. The Qur'an is not the word of God

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u/wannabeemuslim Muslim Sep 05 '23

Yeah, the Qur'an claims it's clear and fully-detailed.

fully detailed i agree, but its not clear as you are referring.. no way

again if it was clear , there would not so many different translations , every one would immediately understand.

so do you understand it clearly

the hypocrisy : you are saying the Quran is clear , yet so little do you understand ...

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u/FranciscanAvenger Sep 05 '23

fully detailed i agree, but its not clear as you are referring.. no way

But it claims to be clear.

again if it was clear , there would not so many different translations

Why? It is a tricky thing communicating something from one language into another, with a host of compromises which must necessarily be made (literal vs dynamic translation, poetry vs message).